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The NYT is trying to convince beta providers to accept dead bedrooms (archive.is)
posted 2 years ago by FuckGenderPolitics 2 years ago by FuckGenderPolitics +48 / -0
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– Ender910 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

Motherhood and the culture of misogyny in America are not often explored in tandem. The connection is women’s bodies.

When Amanda Montei became a parent, she struggled with the physicality of caring for children, but even more with the growing lack of autonomy she felt in her personal and professional life. The conditions of modern American parenthood—the lack of paid leave and affordable childcare, the isolation and alienation, the distribution of labor in her home, and the implicit demands of marriage—were not what she had expected.

After #MeToo, however, she began to see a connection between how women were feeling in motherhood and the larger culture of assault in which she had grown up. In American society, women are expected to prioritize their children, often by pushing their bodies to the limit and ignoring their own desires and needs. As she struggled to adjust to the new demands on her body, this stirred memories of being used, violated, and seen by men. She had the desperate urge to finally say no, though she didn’t know how, or to whom she might say it.

Written with the intellectual and emotional precision of writers like Roxane Gay and Leslie Jamison, and drawing on classic feminist thinkers such as bell hooks, Silvia Federici, and Adrienne Rich, as well as on popular culture from The Bachelor to Look Who’s Talking, Montei draws connections between caregiving, consent, reproductive control, and the sacrifices women are expected to make throughout their lives. Exploring the stories we tell about psychology, childbirth, sexuality, the family, the overwhelm mothers feel trying to be “good,” and the tender bonds that form between parent and child, Touched Out delivers a powerful critique of American rape culture and its continuation in the institution of motherhood, and considers what it really means to care in America.

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– when_we_win_remember 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

I don't understand why you're supposed to get paid on leave. Do these people not save before having children?

My sister took 12 weeks off after having a child. She runs a small business, so she is not getting paid while on leave. Where is the crying for her? Who, exactly, is supposed to pay her when she goes on leave? Her customers???? The government????

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– Ender910 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Agreed. Like I get that sometimes things "happen", but women do at least 7-9 months notice that they "might" need to start planning ahead, save, and make plans.

And the other big issue is certainly "who" is supposed to pay for this? And how much is it going to add up as the rules end up being expanded and extended to not just help out women in bad situations, but unstable single mothers who are making bank on onlyfans, etc etc.

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– when_we_win_remember 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Paid leave is not need-based aid. You'd have to ask lefties about it, because I'm not a fan, but they seem to think that only people who are poor to get aid. In general. Except that they want women to get paid for not working no matter how needy they are.

A lot of this stuff is less about women though and more about how they get white people to pay for nonwhite babies. A lot of this "motherhood" crap becomes support for the invasion. Most aid is.

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– Ender910 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Aye, that's a good point too. I somehow forgot about the rats and mongrels who breed like rodents without any kind of second thought.

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– Ender910 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

You know, on second thought, I'll admit that I can empathize with some of the kinds of challenges cited here.

Not that I'd likely agree with what kinds of political solutions I'm sure she proposes, but even between a happily married couple the first year of trying to take care of a new baby can be pretty brutal and draining. And I won't deny that mothers do get the brunt of it.

At the same time though, while it's not glaringly obvious in the cited text, I wouldn't be surprised if it parrots a lot of the usual feminist rhetoric that paints anything related to the experience of motherhood as a violent and heinous act committed by men upon them.

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– SendTomBoys 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

See, 20 years ago men would've given a shit about the hardships women can face.

But since then, they've gone mask off and don't even pretend that men suffer, or if they do, they don't care about it, so.

I really don't give a shit what women go through anymore. It was almost never worse than what men traditionally suffer. We always lent an ear to women because they supported us and so we supported back, and we cared for the struggles of people we love.

There is no love in the Modern American Woman.

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– Ender910 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Aye. I'll maybe extend my sympathies on a case by case, individual basis, with a woman I know, but I rarely reserve sympathy to the broader female-population at large. Or at least not since I was young and naive.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Yeah it can be brutal and draining, kind of like... every other necessary activity required to maintain civilization.

At the same time though, while it's not glaringly obvious in the cited text, I wouldn't be surprised if it parrots a lot of the usual feminist rhetoric

What are you talking about lol? It is glaringly obvious. Muh body muh body muh body seen and heard kthnxbai

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– Ender910 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

It was rather late at night and I couldn't be certain I was reading into it accurately.

Plus I was second guessing myself a bit since I was remembering a close friend of mine who's not had the easiest time taking care of a new kid. Not that she really complains much. She actually maintains a rather positive attitude and is very self-motivated.

But anyway, my perspective was thrown off a bit.

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