Remember when Star Wars fatigue happened after only 3 movies at the end of 2019?
Remember when Avengers Endgame, the 22nd MCU movie, came out months before that and still made bank? We can ignore number 21 which was Captain Marvel, but most others were still doing well because they weren't complete dog shit yet.
Remember when Star Wars fatigue happened after only 3 movies at the end of 2019?
I do remember. I remember before, I was there when the final Star Wars movie by Lucas happened and I was huge into some of the books(mostly the Darth Bane trilogy) and some of the games like Kotor. People wanted MORE Star Wars, way more.
I was also there when TLJ released and I saw it. Me and my dad went to the cinema, I loved watching movies with my dad who saw the original trilogy back in cinema. We both went, watched, did not talk and only later on agreed how shit it was. It's not fatigue, it's not wanting shit movies.
They had to make like eight terrible MCU movies in a row before they broke the spell and the semi-decent ones with characters people like (Spider-Man, GotG) still made lots of money.
The more I think about it the more people are right to make this point, because I watched the Justice League awhile back and while I'm not that big into super hero movies and stuff it was watchable. Sure, it definitely still had a bit of a leftist bent even by the standards back then but what's funny is the writers had enough self-awareness that the characters actually called out Wonder Woman on her man hating.
You don't even see any of that anymore because it's all about 'the message' the people who wrote that in the modern era would be fired and inevitably MeToo'd so wouldn't ever be able to work in the industry again for good measure. I'm pondering super hero stuff a lot right now in spite of myself and I'm usually a sci fi guy, it would make for some somewhat interest short film content at the very least. I would potentially do it overwatch style dunno.
Setting aside the woke factor, the root cause of franchise decline is likely the creative material available to a given IP. Once a rich stock of preexisting material has run its course, screenwriters have nothing to adapt and it's difficult to impossible for them to generate equally potent ideas. We saw this with Game of Thrones seasons 6-7 when Dumb and Dumber ran out of book material.
With comics, people will say that there's a half century's worth of material. Sure, but movies aren't like comic books. You can't just write disconnected sagas as if the MCU is a soap opera, you need a connected timeline, and that timeline needs to have its own story structure of setup, theme, and so on. Not impossible, but it requires a lot of expertise and a lot of creative risks. Kevin Feige's team of screenwriters that churned out 40 formula movies is simply not capable of that even before the diversity hires.
The multiverse concept has been used as a band-aid over this problem, and although it's good for cash grabs like No Way Home, it's not working.
I said it before, I'll say it again:
It's not superhero fatigue.
The movies started sucking.
You don't hear of comedy fatigue.
Remember when Star Wars fatigue happened after only 3 movies at the end of 2019?
Remember when Avengers Endgame, the 22nd MCU movie, came out months before that and still made bank? We can ignore number 21 which was Captain Marvel, but most others were still doing well because they weren't complete dog shit yet.
I do remember. I remember before, I was there when the final Star Wars movie by Lucas happened and I was huge into some of the books(mostly the Darth Bane trilogy) and some of the games like Kotor. People wanted MORE Star Wars, way more.
I was also there when TLJ released and I saw it. Me and my dad went to the cinema, I loved watching movies with my dad who saw the original trilogy back in cinema. We both went, watched, did not talk and only later on agreed how shit it was. It's not fatigue, it's not wanting shit movies.
They had to make like eight terrible MCU movies in a row before they broke the spell and the semi-decent ones with characters people like (Spider-Man, GotG) still made lots of money.
The more I think about it the more people are right to make this point, because I watched the Justice League awhile back and while I'm not that big into super hero movies and stuff it was watchable. Sure, it definitely still had a bit of a leftist bent even by the standards back then but what's funny is the writers had enough self-awareness that the characters actually called out Wonder Woman on her man hating.
You don't even see any of that anymore because it's all about 'the message' the people who wrote that in the modern era would be fired and inevitably MeToo'd so wouldn't ever be able to work in the industry again for good measure. I'm pondering super hero stuff a lot right now in spite of myself and I'm usually a sci fi guy, it would make for some somewhat interest short film content at the very least. I would potentially do it overwatch style dunno.
Setting aside the woke factor, the root cause of franchise decline is likely the creative material available to a given IP. Once a rich stock of preexisting material has run its course, screenwriters have nothing to adapt and it's difficult to impossible for them to generate equally potent ideas. We saw this with Game of Thrones seasons 6-7 when Dumb and Dumber ran out of book material.
With comics, people will say that there's a half century's worth of material. Sure, but movies aren't like comic books. You can't just write disconnected sagas as if the MCU is a soap opera, you need a connected timeline, and that timeline needs to have its own story structure of setup, theme, and so on. Not impossible, but it requires a lot of expertise and a lot of creative risks. Kevin Feige's team of screenwriters that churned out 40 formula movies is simply not capable of that even before the diversity hires.
The multiverse concept has been used as a band-aid over this problem, and although it's good for cash grabs like No Way Home, it's not working.
yep. there is no such thing as "good movie fatigue"