State of the Manosphere/ Red Pill
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No offense to anyone in the "movement," but the Red Pill as I understand it originally was great as a description of our times, horrible as a prescription. Understanding the true instinctive nature of women? Cool. Going out and spinning as many plates as possible? You're just making it worse for everyone else and setting yourself up for the same lonely childless existence as roasties.
I get the idea, to basically look out for number 1 in a time of social doom. It's not like there's a lot of good ideas out there. But the fact that the manosphere is now a bunch of hucksters fronting rented lambos and trying to pass off paid whores as a harem should not come as a surprise. Selfishness breeds hustlers.
There are core ideas to the Red Pill shared throughout the manosphere but there's different methodologies for internalizing and making use of this information. It also really depends on who you receive the information from (Rollo, Chateau, HoeMath, trp.red etc), and can distort one's view on a possible solution to problems of modern society.
The "prescription" you're describing is the PUA/game answer to how to go about navigating the SMP, probably the oldest variant of the "solution" I'm aware. It's gained the most traction for desperate men trying to get some nookie. And the traditionalist response to this happening is just typical Purple Pill pilpul. I would argue the men doing this spinning stuff just don't care, and you won't be able to shame them out of it.
Some take the RP and "go their own way", just drop out of the game completely. Some of these are incels that are just giving up, others are those that actually have gotten some before and are just tapping out.
Never give to a society that doesn't give back
I was enjoying how much more based hoe_math was on his Twitter than his filtered YT before Elon killed Nitter.
He's definitely more blackpilled re: the collapse of civilization/The Great Replacement Theory/DEI BS than he lets on. Though he does hint at it occasionally on his livestreams that untethered female hypergamy has doomed us to a dystopian future.
His YT comment section though is a real cult of personality hugbox. He mentioned on a livestream that last fall his audience moving over from Tiktok was about 40% female but now it consistently sits at only 9% since he's really blown up.
It's hard to tell if his fawning audience truly understands how doompilled the guy is behind the cheery colorful drawings and if they'd still accept him as their guru if they knew.
If he really is that blackpilled, I can almost forgive and understand him for not going into the 'why' portion of 'Men should do this' part of his videos.
He's made small oblique hints to it, but he's yet to go down that particular rabbit hole. And if that's the case...
Edit: Morbid curiosity drove me to go take a look at Hoe_math's twitter. Holy shit, you weren't kidding. You can tell he's a bit more brutal in his off-the-cuff stuff.
I've watched a few of his livestreams.
He makes oblique references to the fact that COVID shenanigans destroyed his professional career and he has literally retreated to a cabin in the woods.
He also seems to believe in his own personal male concept of hitting the wall despite the fact I've heard him mention several times that he thinks the female version is a myth.
He also loses a little bit of cred in that he shits on dating apps & advises anyone he coaches to go out into the real world to find a woman. But then he's currently dating one of his presumably online professional coaching clients. Which is somewhat hypocritical and probably unethical.