State of the Manosphere/ Red Pill
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There are core ideas to the Red Pill shared throughout the manosphere but there's different methodologies for internalizing and making use of this information. It also really depends on who you receive the information from (Rollo, Chateau, HoeMath, trp.red etc), and can distort one's view on a possible solution to problems of modern society.
The "prescription" you're describing is the PUA/game answer to how to go about navigating the SMP, probably the oldest variant of the "solution" I'm aware. It's gained the most traction for desperate men trying to get some nookie. And the traditionalist response to this happening is just typical Purple Pill pilpul. I would argue the men doing this spinning stuff just don't care, and you won't be able to shame them out of it.
Some take the RP and "go their own way", just drop out of the game completely. Some of these are incels that are just giving up, others are those that actually have gotten some before and are just tapping out.
Never give to a society that doesn't give back
I was enjoying how much more based hoe_math was on his Twitter than his filtered YT before Elon killed Nitter.
He's definitely more blackpilled re: the collapse of civilization/The Great Replacement Theory/DEI BS than he lets on. Though he does hint at it occasionally on his livestreams that untethered female hypergamy has doomed us to a dystopian future.
His YT comment section though is a real cult of personality hugbox. He mentioned on a livestream that last fall his audience moving over from Tiktok was about 40% female but now it consistently sits at only 9% since he's really blown up.
It's hard to tell if his fawning audience truly understands how doompilled the guy is behind the cheery colorful drawings and if they'd still accept him as their guru if they knew.
If he really is that blackpilled, I can almost forgive and understand him for not going into the 'why' portion of 'Men should do this' part of his videos.
He's made small oblique hints to it, but he's yet to go down that particular rabbit hole. And if that's the case...
Edit: Morbid curiosity drove me to go take a look at Hoe_math's twitter. Holy shit, you weren't kidding. You can tell he's a bit more brutal in his off-the-cuff stuff.
I've watched a few of his livestreams.
He makes oblique references to the fact that COVID shenanigans destroyed his professional career and he has literally retreated to a cabin in the woods.
He also seems to believe in his own personal male concept of hitting the wall despite the fact I've heard him mention several times that he thinks the female version is a myth.
He also loses a little bit of cred in that he shits on dating apps & advises anyone he coaches to go out into the real world to find a woman. But then he's currently dating one of his presumably online professional coaching clients. Which is somewhat hypocritical and probably unethical.
Eh. I'm not expecting perfection from him. I feel he falls down a fair bit in that he'll make a good point but do so in a way that's so off-putting to people that they'll push back against it for what I feel are very good reasons.
(For an example of what I'm talking about: his recent 'dress well' video.)
It'll be interesting to see what he means by 'the female wall is a myth'. I don't believe that in the slightest, but I'll atleast hear him out.
That's the part of "optics" that was actually true. Presentation DOES matter. But ONLY to potential converts, and again only the ones they engage with you directly.
Outside of that. Your enemy will always lie about you. Which isn't the fun answer b3cause it means you actually have to do the legwork or building your audience.
I haven't watched many of his videos, but he seemed less doompilled than a lot of "enjoy the collapse" RPers from nearly decade ago.
And from the few videos I've seen, he does seem to understand quite a bit of the core RP, but he slides a bit into purple. I do respect his belief on the sexes having variations of false perceptions when judging the other sex. But part of his take on the effort required in a relationship seems to be a bit skewed. Higher SMV can allow for less effort required and he does point out the whole women going for above their SMV, but his suggested solution of parity for relationships is bogus when women probably will never settle for that until they splat on the wall or already have mid-low SMV.
The whole "rock against the tides"/holding frame aspect women seek and test for seems missing from his colorful diagrams too (I caught glimpses of shit testing on one of the diagrams that he whizzes by sometimes) But again I haven't seen all his videos.
He's a big proponent of not wallowing in self-pity or wishing the world was different than how it is.
His answer for pretty much every quandary is to self-maximize your own SMV to do the best you can with the hand you're dealt.
He also has some somewhat interesting perspectives, such as raising your own SMV as high as you can and then picking the partner you like the most from the pool of partners who like YOU.