The left/right we're talking referred to the European usage with revolutionists, progressives sitting on left and the traditionalist, monarchist sitting on the right. The left/right they're referring to is the neocon definition about government control of economy with anarchist being the extreme right and monarchist on the extreme left. When we talk about 'conservatism' we're thinking about conserving culture and traditions while they're thinking about conserving liberal values. There is fundamental disconnect about the definitions, and we're just talking pass each other