MGTOW at least offers protection from a system designed to destroy a man's future. It's not a societal solution of course, but it doesn't claim to be for the most part. There are solutions, but they all involve fixing the rotten incentive structure that rewards women for destroying families. That those solutions are politically unfeasible isn't on MGTOW. It's not their fault (or the Evangelicals for the matter) that women would rather destroy society than accept anything less than absolute power in a relationship.
A man has no future if he has no children, only his limited lifespan. In that sense, it only affords him protection for his own hedonism, his personal pleasures in this mortal coil as he dies failing to accomplish the only single function life is designed to fulfill.
They aren't wrong to want to protect yourself. But "lol just fix all of society first, then we ball" isn't a solution. As such, they shouldn't be prescribed as one. Only a stepping stone to fixing yourself before you go back out in the world.
And what use was Jesus and his disciples teachings if no one was alive in the next generation to receive them? Or are you so special that you are the modern prophet exception whose life is going to inspire other people on a level unprecedented?
Glad we have reached using the Bible to justify ourselves though. I'm sure it said absolutely nothing about having children or taking wives and their importance.
And what use was Jesus and his disciples teachings if no one was alive in the next generation to receive them?
But there were plenty of people alive to receive them then. And there will continue to be plenty of people alive to receive them now and in the future. The birth rate isn't going to drop to zero just because some men decide they want to devote themselves to other purposes in life.
Glad we have reached using the Bible to justify ourselves though.
Indeed:
The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.” But he said to them, “Not all men can receive this precept, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.”
(Matthew 19:10-12)
To this day, many men choose celibacy for the sake of the kingdom of heaven, and to spread His word, and that is a good thing.
I'm sure it said absolutely nothing about having children or taking wives and their importance.
He did say something important about marriage, yes.
And He didn't say no one should have children. (specifically He said “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’? So they are no longer two but one. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.").
But what Jesus definitely did not say was was that "A man has no future if he has no children, only his limited lifespan" (quoting your words directly) or that 'a man's only single function in life is having children' (paraphrasing your words), which is what I was rightfully ridiculing.
MGTOW at least offers protection from a system designed to destroy a man's future. It's not a societal solution of course, but it doesn't claim to be for the most part. There are solutions, but they all involve fixing the rotten incentive structure that rewards women for destroying families. That those solutions are politically unfeasible isn't on MGTOW. It's not their fault (or the Evangelicals for the matter) that women would rather destroy society than accept anything less than absolute power in a relationship.
A man has no future if he has no children, only his limited lifespan. In that sense, it only affords him protection for his own hedonism, his personal pleasures in this mortal coil as he dies failing to accomplish the only single function life is designed to fulfill.
They aren't wrong to want to protect yourself. But "lol just fix all of society first, then we ball" isn't a solution. As such, they shouldn't be prescribed as one. Only a stepping stone to fixing yourself before you go back out in the world.
How sad your life must be if you think having a child is the "only single function your life is designed to fulfill".
I suppose the life of Jesus and his disciples (those that had no children) was meaningless?
And what use was Jesus and his disciples teachings if no one was alive in the next generation to receive them? Or are you so special that you are the modern prophet exception whose life is going to inspire other people on a level unprecedented?
Glad we have reached using the Bible to justify ourselves though. I'm sure it said absolutely nothing about having children or taking wives and their importance.
But there were plenty of people alive to receive them then. And there will continue to be plenty of people alive to receive them now and in the future. The birth rate isn't going to drop to zero just because some men decide they want to devote themselves to other purposes in life.
Indeed:
To this day, many men choose celibacy for the sake of the kingdom of heaven, and to spread His word, and that is a good thing.
He did say something important about marriage, yes. And He didn't say no one should have children. (specifically He said “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’? So they are no longer two but one. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.").
But what Jesus definitely did not say was was that "A man has no future if he has no children, only his limited lifespan" (quoting your words directly) or that 'a man's only single function in life is having children' (paraphrasing your words), which is what I was rightfully ridiculing.
Jesus was & is God.
You are not.
MGTOW offers no solutions other than hedonism. No one is arguing why they are angry and no one is denying the problem.
They just offer no solutions.