Devil's advocate: he argues that by living up to your own standards and values and marrying a woman, you will indeed become vulnerable, but your moral rectitude will remain untarnished, despite the vicissitudes that life - and perhaps your spouse - will put you through.
Your wife may turn out to be an evil shrew, but you don't have to reciprocate in kind. Also, you can forestall financial ruin by prenups and what have you. It's not much, but at least it's something.
Living up to one's own moral standard or this jackass's moral standard? It sounds like the latter to me, and his sense of morality is no less depraved than the feminists'. Someone who says "Be miserable because my fucked up sense of right and wrong tells you to" isn't someone that anyone should be listening to.
Also, you can forestall financial ruin by prenups and what have you.
Prenups are regularly thrown out by corrupt family courts. They apply an arbitrary "fairness" standard, which boils down to anything being less lucrative for the woman than the standard divorce rape being considered "unfair". Either that or she'll claim coercion, which can be as mild as the man refusing to marry without the prenup. Sorry if it feels like I'm ranting at you, but assuming that family courts follow the rule of law can be a life destroying mistake for a man.
He's arguing from a Christian perspective to other Christians. If you believe in the bible and run away from marriage out of fear, then yes, that very much defies the biblical conception of what a man is supposed to be.
I sincerely doubt, however, that he'd apply the same standard to non-believers. He might still argue you're doing the wrong thing, but only because you don't believe in god anyway, which is a bigger issue.
If you believe in the bible and run away from marriage out of fear, then yes, that very much defies the biblical conception of what a man is supposed to be.
This is a catholic belief not rooted in the Bible. One of their sacraments is marriage which basically says men are living in sin if theyre unmarried. The only times in the Bible where men are instructed to get married is God telling Adam and Eve and later Noah to repopulate, and then later on men should marry if they can't control their lustful desires.
Christians who think its their duty to get married are just following a man made tradition.
I never once said that a man is obligated to marry. I absolutely agree with you on what you said. What I was pointing out was the REASON. Intention matters, especially in christianity.
If you want a wife and family, there's nothing wrong with that; the bible says there's honor in fulfilling the roles of father and husband. If you have little to no interest, or your priority is God, the bible says that's okay too.
But if you DO want to have a family, and you DO want a wife, and you're just suppressing that out of fear whilst still burning with lust, it's hard for me to see how that's very godly.
Great point on the prenup, I was watching a video by a smarter MGTOW adjacent content creator named Martin Goldberg whos usually spot on with a lot of his takes, but he had a stupid take recently in a video where he was shaming men as "simps" for wanting to move to patriarchal countries to avoid western family courts, and his genius advice was to get an "ironclad prenup" to fight divorce rape. When I pointed out that prenups are thrown out in court, he just hit me with "just get a good lawyer bro".
Prenups don't seem worth much these days. Maybe they still matter in a handful of states, but outside of that you're just lighting money on fire paying a lawyer to draft it.
Devil's advocate: he argues that by living up to your own standards and values and marrying a woman, you will indeed become vulnerable, but your moral rectitude will remain untarnished, despite the vicissitudes that life - and perhaps your spouse - will put you through.
Your wife may turn out to be an evil shrew, but you don't have to reciprocate in kind. Also, you can forestall financial ruin by prenups and what have you. It's not much, but at least it's something.
Living up to one's own moral standard or this jackass's moral standard? It sounds like the latter to me, and his sense of morality is no less depraved than the feminists'. Someone who says "Be miserable because my fucked up sense of right and wrong tells you to" isn't someone that anyone should be listening to.
Prenups are regularly thrown out by corrupt family courts. They apply an arbitrary "fairness" standard, which boils down to anything being less lucrative for the woman than the standard divorce rape being considered "unfair". Either that or she'll claim coercion, which can be as mild as the man refusing to marry without the prenup. Sorry if it feels like I'm ranting at you, but assuming that family courts follow the rule of law can be a life destroying mistake for a man.
He's arguing from a Christian perspective to other Christians. If you believe in the bible and run away from marriage out of fear, then yes, that very much defies the biblical conception of what a man is supposed to be.
I sincerely doubt, however, that he'd apply the same standard to non-believers. He might still argue you're doing the wrong thing, but only because you don't believe in god anyway, which is a bigger issue.
The bible also defines what a marriage should be: Ephesians 5:22–33
This is a catholic belief not rooted in the Bible. One of their sacraments is marriage which basically says men are living in sin if theyre unmarried. The only times in the Bible where men are instructed to get married is God telling Adam and Eve and later Noah to repopulate, and then later on men should marry if they can't control their lustful desires.
Christians who think its their duty to get married are just following a man made tradition.
I never once said that a man is obligated to marry. I absolutely agree with you on what you said. What I was pointing out was the REASON. Intention matters, especially in christianity.
If you want a wife and family, there's nothing wrong with that; the bible says there's honor in fulfilling the roles of father and husband. If you have little to no interest, or your priority is God, the bible says that's okay too.
But if you DO want to have a family, and you DO want a wife, and you're just suppressing that out of fear whilst still burning with lust, it's hard for me to see how that's very godly.
Great point on the prenup, I was watching a video by a smarter MGTOW adjacent content creator named Martin Goldberg whos usually spot on with a lot of his takes, but he had a stupid take recently in a video where he was shaming men as "simps" for wanting to move to patriarchal countries to avoid western family courts, and his genius advice was to get an "ironclad prenup" to fight divorce rape. When I pointed out that prenups are thrown out in court, he just hit me with "just get a good lawyer bro".
Prenups don't seem worth much these days. Maybe they still matter in a handful of states, but outside of that you're just lighting money on fire paying a lawyer to draft it.