what about

There aren't any. Just abominations deluding themselves and lying to others.

you are discrediting them

They did that themselves. I'm merely pointing it out. If you don't adhere to, in fact actively refuse the tenets of a religion, you aren't part of it.

That's logic even an atheist should be able to understand.

I mean like in case of a civil war

Yes I know. Bring it the fuck on.