the facts on Hitler are insurmountable and obvious
Insurmountable? Obvious? Like we haven't had decades of propaganda, misinformation, half-truths, and sometimes straight up lies being fed to us?
When did doubt, skepticism, and disbelief fall out of favor with the common man? When did it become fashionable to be a good little drone, to toil until you broke, being fed with syrup and dyes? Do you really think Hitler was a cartoon villain? Really? That one day, for no reason at all, he just decided that a whole demographic of people needed to die? No reason, just 'cuz?
Do you believe things because the talking heads in the box tell you they happened? Do you believe inflation isn't real because KJP says it isn't as bad as it feels?
Turns out, like with Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Ivan The Terrible, and others; he was absolutely one of those pure evil characters that are rare in history.
Real people aren't one dimensional Overwatch characters.
It's one of the things that helped me connect the dots, to put the perfectly fitting puzzle pieces together. Before becoming red pilled on WW2, I already knew that the people in power lied to us, about everything, in the news, in media, in government, about our history (specifically about slavery and the civil war), but I still adamantly believed what I was told about WW2 history, for reasons I could never adequately explain. Then, through curiosity, I began to visit demonized free speech forums, where I was exposed to censored information and discussion, including everything surrounding WW2, and the world began to make a lot more sense.
Looking back, it's rather astounding how flimsy the current "conservative" normie right position is, about how contradictory my position was before. It posits the well supported position that the people in power are liars, that they have control of pretty much all aspects of society, and yet WW2 history is sacrosanct. The lesson is clear as day: don't trust liars. And yet, many on the right continue to trust liars on specific subjects. It's rather maddening. Fortunately, though, more and more are waking up.
Skepticism is fine, but why are you trying to rehabilitate Hitler's public image or deny what the Nazis did from the burning of the Reichstag to the capture of Berlin?
You're making his point. You're question is loaded. "Why try to rehabilitate his image" implies he is horrible to begin with and doesn't even attempt to ponder if he was actually as bad as we've been taught. You ask as if it's a foregone conclusion. We're not even sure what happened with the Hawaii fires and that was just 2 weeks ago with smart phones and internet etc. But we're supposed to just accept whatever we're fed about the Holocaust?
I understand that propaganda is a part of any war, but I'm not quite ready to revise my opinions on WWII, Hitler, and the mass murder of hundreds of thousands.
When did doubt, skepticism, and disbelief fall out of favor with the common man? When did it become fashionable to be a good little drone, to toil until you broke, being fed with syrup and dyes? Do you really think Hitler was a cartoon villain? Really? That one day, for no reason at all, he just decided that a whole demographic of people needed to die? No reason, just 'cuz?
We could have asked that to the people who voted for him. Don't even almost
Do you believe things because the talking heads in the box tell you they happened?
No you faux sentimental, twat. We have evidence. We have records. We have witnesses. We have bodies. And best of all: we have confessions. That's my favorite part of all this. You will stand there with a thumb up your dick and pretend like you have intellectual grace like, but you're just an old-style sophist. As a sophist of the modern era, you run apologetics for someone who never asked for an apology, and would refuse to give one. None of the people you are begging the question for deny their crimes, nor their objectives, nor their rationale. The only thing they ever said is that they weren't responsible because Hitler was just so persuasive. They still signed the orders, they still made the budgets, they still attacked civilians, and they still slaughtered millions, jews or otherwise, because they all believed it was the right thing to do at the time.
Oh I know, why can't we just believe the lies and half truths of the propagandists you like? Why can't we just accept the deceptions of the regime that literally invented all modern political propaganda and most film making techniques. Because those lies formed the basis of the unelected, revolutionary, Nazi regime. It was a very progressive, modern, and intellectual movement that many experts thought was for the best in Germany. Gobbels saw to that that the National Socialist state would be a technocratic one. It's why many experts and authorities in Austria simply bent over for Anschluss. In fact, since you mentioned "ticking the box", the single most infamous bit of ridiculous ballot engineering took place under the Anschluss annexation. But I suppose I should continue to reject the evidence and accept the claims of the old experts who were explicitly lying.
But why can't I just play moral relativism, and stand just stand around "just asking questions?" Because I have answers. Answers we both know you would be giddy to see replicated; because that's the real point. You're not intellectually curious, you're singularly driven, as all sophists are. You're engaging in rhetorical warfare to hopefully worm your way into getting a future of blood and death, because it's the one you want. It's the one they wanted to.
I don't understand why some people feel the need to whitewash Hitler's Third Reich. Of course he was a human being. That's part of the horror of his rise and fall, the fact that most anyone is capable of dehumanizing his perceived enemies. It's what we need to do if there's any sort of conscience at all or if we need to create "plausible deniability."
They need to read William Shirer's book, at least.
They're white washing it because they are trying to renormalize the violence. That, and it's a troll on the Marxists and Communists, that are happy to do much the same to their asserted bourgeoise, but not go to the mechanized effort that the Germans specifically decided to go with.
Insurmountable? Obvious? Like we haven't had decades of propaganda, misinformation, half-truths, and sometimes straight up lies being fed to us?
When did doubt, skepticism, and disbelief fall out of favor with the common man? When did it become fashionable to be a good little drone, to toil until you broke, being fed with syrup and dyes? Do you really think Hitler was a cartoon villain? Really? That one day, for no reason at all, he just decided that a whole demographic of people needed to die? No reason, just 'cuz?
Do you believe things because the talking heads in the box tell you they happened? Do you believe inflation isn't real because KJP says it isn't as bad as it feels?
Real people aren't one dimensional Overwatch characters.
It's one of the things that helped me connect the dots, to put the perfectly fitting puzzle pieces together. Before becoming red pilled on WW2, I already knew that the people in power lied to us, about everything, in the news, in media, in government, about our history (specifically about slavery and the civil war), but I still adamantly believed what I was told about WW2 history, for reasons I could never adequately explain. Then, through curiosity, I began to visit demonized free speech forums, where I was exposed to censored information and discussion, including everything surrounding WW2, and the world began to make a lot more sense.
Looking back, it's rather astounding how flimsy the current "conservative" normie right position is, about how contradictory my position was before. It posits the well supported position that the people in power are liars, that they have control of pretty much all aspects of society, and yet WW2 history is sacrosanct. The lesson is clear as day: don't trust liars. And yet, many on the right continue to trust liars on specific subjects. It's rather maddening. Fortunately, though, more and more are waking up.
Skepticism is fine, but why are you trying to rehabilitate Hitler's public image or deny what the Nazis did from the burning of the Reichstag to the capture of Berlin?
You're making his point. You're question is loaded. "Why try to rehabilitate his image" implies he is horrible to begin with and doesn't even attempt to ponder if he was actually as bad as we've been taught. You ask as if it's a foregone conclusion. We're not even sure what happened with the Hawaii fires and that was just 2 weeks ago with smart phones and internet etc. But we're supposed to just accept whatever we're fed about the Holocaust?
I understand that propaganda is a part of any war, but I'm not quite ready to revise my opinions on WWII, Hitler, and the mass murder of hundreds of thousands.
We could have asked that to the people who voted for him. Don't even almost
No you faux sentimental, twat. We have evidence. We have records. We have witnesses. We have bodies. And best of all: we have confessions. That's my favorite part of all this. You will stand there with a thumb up your dick and pretend like you have intellectual grace like, but you're just an old-style sophist. As a sophist of the modern era, you run apologetics for someone who never asked for an apology, and would refuse to give one. None of the people you are begging the question for deny their crimes, nor their objectives, nor their rationale. The only thing they ever said is that they weren't responsible because Hitler was just so persuasive. They still signed the orders, they still made the budgets, they still attacked civilians, and they still slaughtered millions, jews or otherwise, because they all believed it was the right thing to do at the time.
Oh I know, why can't we just believe the lies and half truths of the propagandists you like? Why can't we just accept the deceptions of the regime that literally invented all modern political propaganda and most film making techniques. Because those lies formed the basis of the unelected, revolutionary, Nazi regime. It was a very progressive, modern, and intellectual movement that many experts thought was for the best in Germany. Gobbels saw to that that the National Socialist state would be a technocratic one. It's why many experts and authorities in Austria simply bent over for Anschluss. In fact, since you mentioned "ticking the box", the single most infamous bit of ridiculous ballot engineering took place under the Anschluss annexation. But I suppose I should continue to reject the evidence and accept the claims of the old experts who were explicitly lying.
But why can't I just play moral relativism, and stand just stand around "just asking questions?" Because I have answers. Answers we both know you would be giddy to see replicated; because that's the real point. You're not intellectually curious, you're singularly driven, as all sophists are. You're engaging in rhetorical warfare to hopefully worm your way into getting a future of blood and death, because it's the one you want. It's the one they wanted to.
Very well-put, as usual.
I don't understand why some people feel the need to whitewash Hitler's Third Reich. Of course he was a human being. That's part of the horror of his rise and fall, the fact that most anyone is capable of dehumanizing his perceived enemies. It's what we need to do if there's any sort of conscience at all or if we need to create "plausible deniability."
They need to read William Shirer's book, at least.
They're white washing it because they are trying to renormalize the violence. That, and it's a troll on the Marxists and Communists, that are happy to do much the same to their asserted bourgeoise, but not go to the mechanized effort that the Germans specifically decided to go with.