Also, neither side did great, but the debunkers are being pretty fucking cringe. They keep going on about how "out of context" it is when Jews (not all Jews, to be fair, specific rabbis and such but, yes, in the talmud) say gentiles aren't human, and also it's fine when they say gentiles should be killed, because rabbis don't have the power to issue death sentences. They just keep going along those lines.
Sounds like they have a point in that it's a debate, and not hard and fast laws...but they're also covering for all the insane shit some people are saying in the quotes. It's absurd. You could defend the work as a whole, while still calling out the actual awful quotes. Especially since it's a debate, and not viewed as the Word of God or anything, according to them. But they can't bring themselves to do that. Also, they lose some major credibility by calling Nick and his people Nazis, and other stuff.
As to Nick, it's kind of a mixed bag. It sounds like he did have some false quotes, and some that were out of context. But there also is an overarching trend of it being said that Jews should receive massive priority, and gentiles deserve at best basically nothing.
Also, from 28 minutes in (bold is my emphasis):
There's a lot of young men who've been disenfranchised in this country and they have flocked to Fuentes 'cause the pendulum sometimes swing too far to the other side...
I hate this shit. This is basically the 'men are suffering, they just need feminism' say the feminists spiel, but with a Jewish/"Christian" angle. Also, if merely talking about this shit is "the pendulum...swinging too far," I have zero fucking respect for you. I think the pendulum might end up swinging too far, but this isn't it. The pendulum has barely started to swing. It's still basically hovering via momentum at the farthest left, slowly starting to inch the other way. Bitching about Nick Fuentes going to far is extremely fucking cucked. I can't stand it.
The quote continues:
...and hopefully some of them realize they're being lied to and manipulated to become hateful anti-Christian folk that just go after people for their race and I want to stop that as much as possible. So yeah I'm very happy to out and to defend the Jewish people when this kind of stuff comes out because, as a Christian, I'm called to love all people, pray for my enemies, and help the weak, help those that are being attacked and hated, why of course I would go after this horrible kind of stuff, and this is actually very much in line with our Christian history...
You're anti-Christian if you want to be Christian, but not worship Israel or the Jews, apparently. Again, not even saying I agree with Nick or his take, but I hate this 'anti-Christian if you don't do everything we say' nonsense.
Also, gotta love Christians pulling out the "love all people...help the weak" stuff, when they'll never apply it in favor of Christians. By all means, defend your enemies if it fits your principles (I think there are issues there, but that's another topic), but also fucking defend yourself...preferably more than you do your enemies, even. Novel idea, I know. And they always go it "in line with our Christian history" or teachings, or however they want to spin it. We swear, there's nothing more Christian than not standing up for yourself, that's totally Jesus's message!
The pendulum ain't swung until some people are swinging. Don't ban me. This is elementary politics not a wish or a threat. Revolutions are violent, and I don't expect this gets solved any other way although I would rather be wrong because even though a fire burns in my heart, love is stronger than that . I have love for the mothers and fathers that are and will lose children in this.
So far this is just kind of boring.
Also, neither side did great, but the debunkers are being pretty fucking cringe. They keep going on about how "out of context" it is when Jews (not all Jews, to be fair, specific rabbis and such but, yes, in the talmud) say gentiles aren't human, and also it's fine when they say gentiles should be killed, because rabbis don't have the power to issue death sentences. They just keep going along those lines.
Sounds like they have a point in that it's a debate, and not hard and fast laws...but they're also covering for all the insane shit some people are saying in the quotes. It's absurd. You could defend the work as a whole, while still calling out the actual awful quotes. Especially since it's a debate, and not viewed as the Word of God or anything, according to them. But they can't bring themselves to do that. Also, they lose some major credibility by calling Nick and his people Nazis, and other stuff.
As to Nick, it's kind of a mixed bag. It sounds like he did have some false quotes, and some that were out of context. But there also is an overarching trend of it being said that Jews should receive massive priority, and gentiles deserve at best basically nothing.
Also, from 28 minutes in (bold is my emphasis):
I hate this shit. This is basically the 'men are suffering, they just need feminism' say the feminists spiel, but with a Jewish/"Christian" angle. Also, if merely talking about this shit is "the pendulum...swinging too far," I have zero fucking respect for you. I think the pendulum might end up swinging too far, but this isn't it. The pendulum has barely started to swing. It's still basically hovering via momentum at the farthest left, slowly starting to inch the other way. Bitching about Nick Fuentes going to far is extremely fucking cucked. I can't stand it.
The quote continues:
You're anti-Christian if you want to be Christian, but not worship Israel or the Jews, apparently. Again, not even saying I agree with Nick or his take, but I hate this 'anti-Christian if you don't do everything we say' nonsense.
Also, gotta love Christians pulling out the "love all people...help the weak" stuff, when they'll never apply it in favor of Christians. By all means, defend your enemies if it fits your principles (I think there are issues there, but that's another topic), but also fucking defend yourself...preferably more than you do your enemies, even. Novel idea, I know. And they always go it "in line with our Christian history" or teachings, or however they want to spin it. We swear, there's nothing more Christian than not standing up for yourself, that's totally Jesus's message!
Gah. It's just so obnoxious and whiny.
The pendulum ain't swung until some people are swinging. Don't ban me. This is elementary politics not a wish or a threat. Revolutions are violent, and I don't expect this gets solved any other way although I would rather be wrong because even though a fire burns in my heart, love is stronger than that . I have love for the mothers and fathers that are and will lose children in this.