You respect property rights but do not object to legal immigration, yes? And what if the only people “legally” coming to your country belong to demographics who will inevitably erode and challenge property rights?
From the other post you replied to: You have to integrate people into your values system in a Civic National Liberal Republic.
If they aren't going to integrate, they can piss off. If they don't share our values, they don't belong here. Those property rights are based on the refusal to use coercion to take what you want. If they can't accept that, they've announced their intent to engage in aggression.
A good legal immigration system would have that as a minimum.
As for good mass legal migration, no such thing exists. All mass migration ends with colonization, because mass migrants can't integrate. Any immigrant must be so rare in number that they are always pioneers into the host country. They can't isolate themselves into their own communities. They must assimilate into the host culture, integrate into the community, and build families within that community with community members.
As such, a mass migration system is always bad because it's impossible to integrate with too large of a number. For a country as large of the US (300 million people or so). That might be as small as 10,000 a year, legal and illegal combined.
They will only piss off if made to piss off by force of arms.
That's called the police.
What we ought to be discussing at this point is mass repatriation
Which is to be preformed by the police. However, encouraging self-deportation is far more reasonable. For example, even though Trump was engaged in some of the largest numbers of deportations, the actual largest scale emigration out of the US takes place during recessions.
Stop giving money to foreigners, or businesses that hire them, and suddenly illegal immigration will collapse.
The silly truth is, most illegals aren't trying to engage in colonization. They just don't give a shit about anyone, are looking for money, and are joining colonies. Get rid of the shit that keeps them here, and they'll leave as easily as they came.
I'll agree that creating a system of incentives where the foreigners all go "huh, I'm actually better off back home" is important and effective to a degree. However the problem has progressed far enough that I don't think that approach along will be sufficient.
We can at least agree that a good start would be to stop giving them money and opportunities here. For me though, I'm frankly at the point where I want to rescind opportunities for all foreigners regardless of how they ended up here or how many generations their families have been here.
You respect property rights but do not object to legal immigration, yes? And what if the only people “legally” coming to your country belong to demographics who will inevitably erode and challenge property rights?
The dirt isn’t magic.
From the other post you replied to: You have to integrate people into your values system in a Civic National Liberal Republic.
If they aren't going to integrate, they can piss off. If they don't share our values, they don't belong here. Those property rights are based on the refusal to use coercion to take what you want. If they can't accept that, they've announced their intent to engage in aggression.
A good legal immigration system would have that as a minimum.
As for good mass legal migration, no such thing exists. All mass migration ends with colonization, because mass migrants can't integrate. Any immigrant must be so rare in number that they are always pioneers into the host country. They can't isolate themselves into their own communities. They must assimilate into the host culture, integrate into the community, and build families within that community with community members.
As such, a mass migration system is always bad because it's impossible to integrate with too large of a number. For a country as large of the US (300 million people or so). That might be as small as 10,000 a year, legal and illegal combined.
There are millions of them here and millions more arrive every year. They will only piss off if made to piss off by force of arms.
Solutions aren't pretty and won't fit into your naive idealism.
What we ought to be discussing at this point is mass repatriation.
That's called the police.
Which is to be preformed by the police. However, encouraging self-deportation is far more reasonable. For example, even though Trump was engaged in some of the largest numbers of deportations, the actual largest scale emigration out of the US takes place during recessions.
Stop giving money to foreigners, or businesses that hire them, and suddenly illegal immigration will collapse.
The silly truth is, most illegals aren't trying to engage in colonization. They just don't give a shit about anyone, are looking for money, and are joining colonies. Get rid of the shit that keeps them here, and they'll leave as easily as they came.
I'll agree that creating a system of incentives where the foreigners all go "huh, I'm actually better off back home" is important and effective to a degree. However the problem has progressed far enough that I don't think that approach along will be sufficient.
We can at least agree that a good start would be to stop giving them money and opportunities here. For me though, I'm frankly at the point where I want to rescind opportunities for all foreigners regardless of how they ended up here or how many generations their families have been here.