So wrong lol. The winning side in every major battle in this war has used tanks.
Tanks are NOT meant to tank hits like an WoW class. They are meant to be mobile direct fire with a really big gun. Anything else attempting to do this will eventually look like a tank.
Tanks are not obsolete, unsupported tank columns are obsolete and have been so since forever.
The sole point of tank armor is to survive hits. It doesn't work anymore since enemy tank guns & anti-tank guns are irrelevant & the threat instead is from ATGMs which can blow right through the armor of any tank either with top attack or simply slamming a big HEAT warhead into it.
I love how you project such confidence regurgitating a pop military cliche that has been around for decades. The most advanced ATGM in Ukraine is the Javelin and that entered service in 1996.
The winning side in every major battle in this war has used tanks.
There haven't been any "major battles".
The fighting in this war has been totally dominated by artillery. Tanks haven't accomplished much except to get blown up & to stay way back & act as shitty field artillery.
Tanks are NOT meant to tank hits like an WoW class.
Yes, they are. That is why the term is used that way. The thing that makes a tank a tank is the heavy armor.
They are meant to be mobile direct fire with a really big gun. Anything else attempting to do this will eventually look like a tank.
wrong. Stryker mobile gun system says hi. You can put a big gun on a lighter chassis without the heavy armor & have it not be a tank. Since armor doesn't work any more, THIS is the superior alternative to tanks in the current meta.
Tanks are not obsolete, unsupported tank columns are obsolete and have been so since forever.
You can have all the support in the world & a Javelin missile is still going to kill you from over 2 miles away before you even know he's there.
I love how you project such confidence regurgitating a pop military cliche that has been around for decades. The most advanced ATGM in Ukraine is the Javelin and that entered service in 1996.
You're a dumbass who knows jack shit yet you talk down to me, someone who has been studying the blade for 30+ years. You're the one here with false confidence, not me.
And the tank has been obsolescent since the 1973 Yom Kippur war, where sweaty Egyptians defeated the vaunted, heretofore invincible Jew Armored Thrust with petty RPGs during the failed Israeli counter-attack during Operation Badr.
But after 1973, instead of using cheap RPGs, the US developed increasingly sophisticated man-portable ATGMs, to the point where a tank now against a Javelin-equipped force is just a metal coffin. No APS works for shit.
& the fact that nobody knew this because it wasn't proven on the field of battle in the last 20 years since nobody with Javelins was ever threatened by tanks, is immaterial.
The fighting in this war has been totally dominated by artillery. Tanks haven't accomplished much except to get blown up & to stay way back & act as shitty field artillery.
Tanks can't function as any version of artillery.
Yes, they are. That is why the term is used that way. The thing that makes a tank a tank is the heavy armor.
Completely wrong.
wrong. Stryker mobile gun system says hi. You can put a big gun on a lighter chassis without the heavy armor & have it not be a tank. Since armor doesn't work any more, THIS is the superior alternative to tanks in the current meta.
edit: just see below video
You can have all the support in the world & a Javelin missile is still going to kill you from over 2 miles away before you even know he's there.
You're a dumbass who knows jack shit yet you talk down to me, someone who has been studying the blade for 30+ years. You're the one here with false confidence, not me.
Lol ok it looks like I'm being trolled. Good job I guess.
It is such a strange take to me. It is also completely against the actually available data, as the Israelis (to keep with his example) have extensive hard-kill systems on their tanks that have pushed the odds back in the favor of the tank because they could defend against all but the most advanced ATGM's.
It is the eternal dance. Someone makes a gun so powerful it defeats all armor, so people drop armor for guns. Then someone makes armor so tough no gun can get through it, so people drop guns for armor. And on and on until galactic peace is achieved.
Too true lol. I guess I could've just asked why the Israelis still field tanks after they realized they were useless trash 50 years ago. Just as a hobby? I believe the trophy system as you said is undefeated against ATGMs, at least from all video so far.
Even for you and your predilection for armchair bullshit, this is an especially stupid take. Direct fire is not artillery. Artillery is not direct fire. "Shoots big shell" does not mean artillery.
So wrong lol. The winning side in every major battle in this war has used tanks.
Tanks are NOT meant to tank hits like an WoW class. They are meant to be mobile direct fire with a really big gun. Anything else attempting to do this will eventually look like a tank.
Tanks are not obsolete, unsupported tank columns are obsolete and have been so since forever.
I love how you project such confidence regurgitating a pop military cliche that has been around for decades. The most advanced ATGM in Ukraine is the Javelin and that entered service in 1996.
There haven't been any "major battles".
The fighting in this war has been totally dominated by artillery. Tanks haven't accomplished much except to get blown up & to stay way back & act as shitty field artillery.
Yes, they are. That is why the term is used that way. The thing that makes a tank a tank is the heavy armor.
wrong. Stryker mobile gun system says hi. You can put a big gun on a lighter chassis without the heavy armor & have it not be a tank. Since armor doesn't work any more, THIS is the superior alternative to tanks in the current meta.
You can have all the support in the world & a Javelin missile is still going to kill you from over 2 miles away before you even know he's there.
You're a dumbass who knows jack shit yet you talk down to me, someone who has been studying the blade for 30+ years. You're the one here with false confidence, not me.
And the tank has been obsolescent since the 1973 Yom Kippur war, where sweaty Egyptians defeated the vaunted, heretofore invincible Jew Armored Thrust with petty RPGs during the failed Israeli counter-attack during Operation Badr.
But after 1973, instead of using cheap RPGs, the US developed increasingly sophisticated man-portable ATGMs, to the point where a tank now against a Javelin-equipped force is just a metal coffin. No APS works for shit.
& the fact that nobody knew this because it wasn't proven on the field of battle in the last 20 years since nobody with Javelins was ever threatened by tanks, is immaterial.
Huh? Why do you think this is worth debating?
Tanks can't function as any version of artillery.
Completely wrong.
edit: just see below video
Lol ok it looks like I'm being trolled. Good job I guess.
For anyone confused about what a tank is and what it's supposed to do, watch this video from a tanker about that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI7T650RTT8
It is such a strange take to me. It is also completely against the actually available data, as the Israelis (to keep with his example) have extensive hard-kill systems on their tanks that have pushed the odds back in the favor of the tank because they could defend against all but the most advanced ATGM's.
It is the eternal dance. Someone makes a gun so powerful it defeats all armor, so people drop armor for guns. Then someone makes armor so tough no gun can get through it, so people drop guns for armor. And on and on until galactic peace is achieved.
Too true lol. I guess I could've just asked why the Israelis still field tanks after they realized they were useless trash 50 years ago. Just as a hobby? I believe the trophy system as you said is undefeated against ATGMs, at least from all video so far.
Wow so you're just fucking stupid.
Even for you and your predilection for armchair bullshit, this is an especially stupid take. Direct fire is not artillery. Artillery is not direct fire. "Shoots big shell" does not mean artillery.