The fact that Russia always does shit like this, blowing up its own people or tossing them off of balconies as r-ANormalDayinRussia, is why it is so obvious that Russia blew up its own pipeline. There has never been a shadier, more manipulative country, nor has there ever been a country which has so deeply intertwined state media propaganda, espionage, and assassination/sabotage.
Plenty of other countries might want to behave this way to varying degrees, but they actually have enough shame to be afraid of the risk of getting caught. Not even the Chinese Communist Party comes remotely close to any of this shit, instead preferring to just use bribes and hacking. But Russia? Fucks given: zero. Oh? Are you mad we murdered someone on your soil for criticizing us? So sorry, here is some polonium tea in apology.
Russia's government is run more like a drug cartel than any other major nation you can think of.
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Let's talk about who the victim of the bombing Vladlen Tatarsky was & what motive Putin had to kill him:
Vladlen Tatarsky [real name Maxim Yuryevich Fomin] was a Ukrainian-born Russian military blogger, convicted bank robber, and participant in the Russo-Ukrainian War.
Reflecting back on the Donbas War, Fomin would later state that "thousands of Russian officers" had served in the region since October 2014, thereby contradicting the official Russian position that the Russian Federation was not involved militarily in mainland Ukraine before 2022.
Tatarsky was known for his hardline views, criticizing Russian military commanders and Vladimir Putin for being too soft in their approach. Tatarsky also produced jihadist propaganda.
Annnnnd there it is. Thing about really opinionated people is that the moment your opinions don't line up perfectly with the regime or offend the wrong person in the regime, you can lose favor fast. And in Russia, losing favor moves you up on the "who should we false flag attack" list.
The fact that Russia always does shit like this, blowing up its own people or tossing them off of balconies...
Weren't both these incidents targeting very pro-Russian people, people you'd usually be bitching about nonstop?
...is why it is so obvious that Russia blew up its own pipeline.
Holy fuck. You're a smart guy, but that's retarded. How can you believe such things?
There has never been a shadier, more manipulative country, nor has there ever been a country which has so deeply intertwined state media propaganda, espionage, and assassination/sabotage.
There've been plenty. Not saying Russia isn't up there, but come on.
Holy fuck. You're a smart guy, but that's retarded. How can you believe such things?
Anyone who believes Russia is capable of carrying out a undetected underwater operation directly below a US Carrier group is not worth arguing with. Especially if that person simultaneously carries on about how Russia is incompetent and Ukraine will be in Moscow by Christmas.
Weren't both these incidents targeting very pro-Russian people
You assume they were "pro-russian". It's very easy for people playing in the russian leadership to misstep and piss off the wrong person in an internal power struggle. It could very well have been that those killed were not saying the right things to the right people and got themselves labelled as traitors, unfairly or not.
Opinionated people can easily step on the wrong toes in an authoritarian regime. It's happened in China, too. Lots and lots of "loyal CCP members" have been disappeared because they said or did something that got them put on someone's list in an internal power struggle.
Holy fuck. You're a smart guy, but that's retarded. How can you believe such things?
Because it is the most likely explanation given all the facts and evidence. I've state me case as to why previously. The pipeline was not blown up until a few weeks after it was clear that it would be totally worthless to the Russians, and shortly after Putin announced partial mobilization and had every reason to need to fuel Russian state propaganda with a story about how the Russian people were under attack.
There is a lot of other circumstantial evidence, but when you compare each scenario - as if the US or UK or NATO did it - the Russian scenario makes by far the most sense given the timing. And if you think NATO did it, why wouldn't they do it in March? Why wait until Putin needed it for propaganda in late Sept? Why wait until after Germany had already shut it down indefinitely with no chance of reversing its decision because it had gone on a buying spree from alternative sources in Aug & Sept?
You need to think about it more deeply and examine all the facts and circumstances instead of just saying "omg no one would blow up their own thing! that's unthinkable!"
There has never been a shadier, more manipulative country, nor has there ever been a country which has so deeply intertwined state media propaganda, espionage, and assassination/sabotage.
Nah the blogger was a Russian patriot who didn't have any relationship with Putin beyond being Russian. He was born in Donbas and took the Russian side. He is generally supportive of the regime and the invasion. He criticized some tactics and leaders.
You cannot dispute that Donetsk Oblast was part of Ukraine in 1982 when this guy was born. This guy was a Ukrainian citizen up until he switched sides in exchange for being let out of prison for bank robbery.
The fact that Russia always does shit like this, blowing up its own people or tossing them off of balconies as r-ANormalDayinRussia, is why it is so obvious that Russia blew up its own pipeline. There has never been a shadier, more manipulative country, nor has there ever been a country which has so deeply intertwined state media propaganda, espionage, and assassination/sabotage.
Plenty of other countries might want to behave this way to varying degrees, but they actually have enough shame to be afraid of the risk of getting caught. Not even the Chinese Communist Party comes remotely close to any of this shit, instead preferring to just use bribes and hacking. But Russia? Fucks given: zero. Oh? Are you mad we murdered someone on your soil for criticizing us? So sorry, here is some polonium tea in apology.
Russia's government is run more like a drug cartel than any other major nation you can think of.
Edit:
Let's talk about who the victim of the bombing Vladlen Tatarsky was & what motive Putin had to kill him:
Annnnnd there it is. Thing about really opinionated people is that the moment your opinions don't line up perfectly with the regime or offend the wrong person in the regime, you can lose favor fast. And in Russia, losing favor moves you up on the "who should we false flag attack" list.
Weren't both these incidents targeting very pro-Russian people, people you'd usually be bitching about nonstop?
Holy fuck. You're a smart guy, but that's retarded. How can you believe such things?
There've been plenty. Not saying Russia isn't up there, but come on.
Anyone who believes Russia is capable of carrying out a undetected underwater operation directly below a US Carrier group is not worth arguing with. Especially if that person simultaneously carries on about how Russia is incompetent and Ukraine will be in Moscow by Christmas.
You assume they were "pro-russian". It's very easy for people playing in the russian leadership to misstep and piss off the wrong person in an internal power struggle. It could very well have been that those killed were not saying the right things to the right people and got themselves labelled as traitors, unfairly or not.
Opinionated people can easily step on the wrong toes in an authoritarian regime. It's happened in China, too. Lots and lots of "loyal CCP members" have been disappeared because they said or did something that got them put on someone's list in an internal power struggle.
Because it is the most likely explanation given all the facts and evidence. I've state me case as to why previously. The pipeline was not blown up until a few weeks after it was clear that it would be totally worthless to the Russians, and shortly after Putin announced partial mobilization and had every reason to need to fuel Russian state propaganda with a story about how the Russian people were under attack.
There is a lot of other circumstantial evidence, but when you compare each scenario - as if the US or UK or NATO did it - the Russian scenario makes by far the most sense given the timing. And if you think NATO did it, why wouldn't they do it in March? Why wait until Putin needed it for propaganda in late Sept? Why wait until after Germany had already shut it down indefinitely with no chance of reversing its decision because it had gone on a buying spree from alternative sources in Aug & Sept?
You need to think about it more deeply and examine all the facts and circumstances instead of just saying "omg no one would blow up their own thing! that's unthinkable!"
Likely Poland did it. Or at least a "pro-Ukrainian group" based here, according to the US intelligence.
Said the American.
Nah the blogger was a Russian patriot who didn't have any relationship with Putin beyond being Russian. He was born in Donbas and took the Russian side. He is generally supportive of the regime and the invasion. He criticized some tactics and leaders.
So he was Ukrainian, then, not Russian.
You cannot dispute that Donetsk Oblast was part of Ukraine in 1982 when this guy was born. This guy was a Ukrainian citizen up until he switched sides in exchange for being let out of prison for bank robbery.
Right people in that territory have to pick a side basically. That guy picked Russian. That's all I meant.
You sound like that stupid propagandist Olena Zelenska.