Dont you know that Wokeness and Liberalism are totally hyper-oppressive forces that are keeping you in chains right now!? You should join forces with the Russian Empire, and together we can crush them all, throw them in camps, and we...Oh wait, your black (flips through "How Do Propaganda" book)...The American Government is keeping you in chains and killing your people in the streets for the crime of existing! You should join forces with the You should join forces with the Russian Empire, and together we can crush them all, throw them in camps, and we will rule the world!
Being more serious, I have found it extremely bizarre that the anti-Woke have started simping for Russia and China even though both are evil nations that actually engage in hardcore, systematic oppression and would probably gulag-ize almost all of them as threats to the state (dont you know freedom is evil?!). Just because the Woke currently running the West are evil doesnt mean I am willing to trade one evil for another. And I am not willing to consign others to evil just to spite the Woke (motions at Ukraine and Taiwan).
china and russia aren't behind the propaganda that has destroyed the united states
They are explicitly a factor in this through the communist machine. Look up yuri besmenov, the 45 goals of the communists from 1963, and "the long march through the institutions".
You have countless people whose lives have been destroyed, who've been made to kneel and beg for mercy while having their lives destroyed (Amy Cooper),
While I believe that a great injustice has been done to Amy Cooper for literally nothing, you could have cited a better example for the evils of the regime.
but it's not muh evil state doing it so you don't care, because you're a lib, and the worst kind of a lib: a shitlib
There is no reason to insult someone because he disagrees with you. Generally, "you believe <bad thing> because you are <another bad thing>" are not either persuasive or impressive.
Btw, imagine having any loyalty to a degenerate empire that's turning the west into a Little Africa. Like unironically thinking that the people doing so, and libs before "woke" have been doing so for decades, are actually less evil than China and Russia, lmao.
I'm mystified by people who think that the people protecting rape gangs and killing millions of people around the world in wars are somehow better than Russia and China. But I'm not going to be condescending about it. If you're going to be this arrogant when talking to someone who believes that probably 95% of people believe, you're not going to get anywhere.
Also lmao, imagine talking about gulgags while US literally has prisoners work for piss poor pay (freedom, am I right?),
The US at least has some semblance of due process. The people in the gulags were political prisoners. In the US, at the very worst, a small minority of people are political prisoners.
and literally spending billions so more Slavic people can die for its goals of global domination.
it's not an extreme example (E.G., that professor committing suicide, etc).
I'm glad he is not forgotten.
As I've said elsewhere, the point of saying someone is a lib isn't to insult them, but to identify them (their beliefs/role) regardless of what they larp as. With that said, insults are good. I find them enjoyable, albeit not the most basic ones. I find Augustus's approach good,:
I don't think so. The guy you're talking to is clearly not a bad guy. He just disagrees with you on some points. And they are fair points! You may think that the regime is worse than Russia or China, but you should demonstrate this with argument rather than with name-calling that is similar to the leftist "RACIST!"
I can't sympathize with people who buy into the most vile propaganda re: few countries that actually aren't absorbed, especially as they are about the only ones currently who can pose a challenge to achieve, if nothing else, a multipolar world.
And this is a good argument.
Make that instead of the name-calling. A multipolar world is good.
If someone witnesses same propaganda being used country after country to justify some of the worst policies of the degenerate empire, and keeps buying into it, they are ngmi. That's my genuine belief, and at that point I can ignore them completely or treat them accordingly. I often opt for former.
I think you underestimate how easy it is to not fall victim to propaganda. From OP's perspective, as flawed as Western countries are, at least they are not as corrupt as Russia, they allow some limited measure of free speech, and the lives of ordinary citizens are better in Russia and have more freedom than in China.
That is not exactly a supremely unreasonable view.
The American Government is keeping you in chains and killing your people in the streets for the crime of existing!
I get what you mean, but Ashli Babbitt was real.
That said, the American government generally does not kill its own subjects, but people elsewhere. Same for its European vassals.
I have found it extremely bizarre that the anti-Woke have started simping for Russia and China even though both are evil nations
All nations are evil, in the sense that politics and the good are not compatible.
Just because the Woke currently running the West are evil doesnt mean I am willing to trade one evil for another.
Good for you! But one evil can be used to balance another. I shudder to think how much more empowered and emboldened the regime will be if it prevails in its proxy war in Ukraine. You may not like Russia or China, and neither do I (which is why I live in Western Europe), but they are one of the few places where the regime does not hold sway.
And I am not willing to consign others to evil just to spite the Woke (motions at Ukraine and Taiwan).
Nor am I, which is why I hope for the liberation of Little Russians from their government controlled by America.
Dont you know that Wokeness and Liberalism are totally hyper-oppressive forces that are keeping you in chains right now!? You should join forces with the Russian Empire, and together we can crush them all, throw them in camps, and we...Oh wait, your black (flips through "How Do Propaganda" book)...The American Government is keeping you in chains and killing your people in the streets for the crime of existing! You should join forces with the You should join forces with the Russian Empire, and together we can crush them all, throw them in camps, and we will rule the world!
Being more serious, I have found it extremely bizarre that the anti-Woke have started simping for Russia and China even though both are evil nations that actually engage in hardcore, systematic oppression and would probably gulag-ize almost all of them as threats to the state (dont you know freedom is evil?!). Just because the Woke currently running the West are evil doesnt mean I am willing to trade one evil for another. And I am not willing to consign others to evil just to spite the Woke (motions at Ukraine and Taiwan).
as long as it's done democratically
And by 'democratically', we mean acting against the will of the people because a lobbyist bribed you.
I seldom agree with OP, but I do believe that 'democracy' is a joke. It's not real. Power is not held by people, but by the elites.
They are explicitly a factor in this through the communist machine. Look up yuri besmenov, the 45 goals of the communists from 1963, and "the long march through the institutions".
While I believe that a great injustice has been done to Amy Cooper for literally nothing, you could have cited a better example for the evils of the regime.
There is no reason to insult someone because he disagrees with you. Generally, "you believe <bad thing> because you are <another bad thing>" are not either persuasive or impressive.
I'm mystified by people who think that the people protecting rape gangs and killing millions of people around the world in wars are somehow better than Russia and China. But I'm not going to be condescending about it. If you're going to be this arrogant when talking to someone who believes that probably 95% of people believe, you're not going to get anywhere.
The US at least has some semblance of due process. The people in the gulags were political prisoners. In the US, at the very worst, a small minority of people are political prisoners.
And this is a very good point.
I'm glad he is not forgotten.
I don't think so. The guy you're talking to is clearly not a bad guy. He just disagrees with you on some points. And they are fair points! You may think that the regime is worse than Russia or China, but you should demonstrate this with argument rather than with name-calling that is similar to the leftist "RACIST!"
And this is a good argument.
Make that instead of the name-calling. A multipolar world is good.
I think you underestimate how easy it is to not fall victim to propaganda. From OP's perspective, as flawed as Western countries are, at least they are not as corrupt as Russia, they allow some limited measure of free speech, and the lives of ordinary citizens are better in Russia and have more freedom than in China.
That is not exactly a supremely unreasonable view.
I get what you mean, but Ashli Babbitt was real.
That said, the American government generally does not kill its own subjects, but people elsewhere. Same for its European vassals.
All nations are evil, in the sense that politics and the good are not compatible.
Good for you! But one evil can be used to balance another. I shudder to think how much more empowered and emboldened the regime will be if it prevails in its proxy war in Ukraine. You may not like Russia or China, and neither do I (which is why I live in Western Europe), but they are one of the few places where the regime does not hold sway.
Nor am I, which is why I hope for the liberation of Little Russians from their government controlled by America.
Well said sir