"we" didn't expand. Ukrainians simply wanted to be pro-EU because Russia is poor and shitty while the EU is wealthy.
Russia has no "sphere of influence" as the USSR is dead and buried, and Russia is a poor, weak country which has no power to enforce spheres of influence against anybody.
Nobody "provoked" Russia, Putin is just a naked aggressor.
Nobody said Ukraine would or could join NATO prior to Russia's 2022 invasion. NOW, though? It's a certainty that Ukraine will.
What do you think the US would do if Mexico entered into a political and military alliance with Russia?
Supremely idiotic talking point.
Ukraine did not "entered into a political and military alliance" with anyone, did they? Russia's whole little tantrum is over this nebulous idea that they might have at some unknown point in the future. Therefore, you cannot paint an analogy to Mexico actually entering into an alliance with Russia.
Nothing would happen. Proof: Venezuela already did this shit and we did nothing. Cuba already did this shit and we have done nothing since the 1960s. You don't think Cuba's alliance with the USSR ended after the Cuban Missile Crisis, did you? It's continued this whole time and nobody in the US gives a shit.
Russia is so bad that it makes globohomo look amazing by comparison. Russia has done more to help globohomo than any other nation on earth.
What would you prefer to live in? A racially unified society with strong heritage, a patriarchy, where white men aren't oppressed, objective moral values you agree with etc... or a gynocratic hellhole where you have enough wealth to blow it all on hookers and blow because the society is so vapid superficial and terrible to live in... but at least you have wealth. Lol. That's the lie that has been fed to a lot of eastern europeans. Wealth is not better than culture. Destroying white societies in the name of wealth is not worth it.
You're just making that shit up in your mind. I've actually been learning a little Russia and have been applying to jobs there to get out of the west. The west is a terrible place to live I hate it here. The best thing I could do is find a fully remote western job and live in a country other than a western one.
Yanukovich received a plurality in the first round and a majority in the second round. You're correct that there is a clear divide in the country, but if Dekachin is going to make broad claims about the country as a whole, the claim that Ukrainians wanted to be pro-EU despite the 2010 electoral results is false.
Then, later, they changed their minds and voted the other direction
No they didn't. There were 6.5 million less votes in the 2014 election than in 2010. The pro-EU side didn't win because people changed their minds to become pro-EU, they won because the pro-Russia side didn't bother to vote because revolutionaries overthrowing their previous candidate proved their votes didn't matter.
There were 6.5 million less votes in the 2014 election than in 2010
So what? Zelenskyy got more votes in 2019 than Yanukovych got in 2010.
The pro-EU side didn't win because people changed their minds to become pro-EU
Yes actually that's exactly what happened.
they won because the pro-Russia side didn't bother to vote because revolutionaries overthrowing their previous candidate proved their votes didn't matter.
Cool story bro. That was 2014. Guess what else happened in 2014? Oh, right RUSSIA INVADED AND CONQUERED THE TWO REGIONS WITH THE MOST PRO-RUSSIAN VOTES, crimea and donbass.
Putin's little land grab guaranteed that Ukraine would irreversibly trip pro-west even in the Ukrainian people didn't change to become far more pro-west in response to Putin's war of aggression, which they also did.
At the beginning of 2008, the Ukrainian President, Prime Minister and head of parliament sent an official letter (the so-called "letter of three") to apply for the Membership Action Plan.
In February 2008 57.8% of Ukrainians supported the idea of a national referendum on joining NATO
At the NATO summit in Bucharest in April 2008, NATO decided it would not yet offer membership to Georgia and Ukraine. Resistance was reportedly met from France and Germany. President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev responded that "reason has prevailed".
So the real history is the opposite of what you claim it was.
That's the problem I have with you Russia shills: you all lie so fucking much.
"we" didn't expand. Ukrainians simply wanted to be pro-EU because Russia is poor and shitty while the EU is wealthy.
Russia has no "sphere of influence" as the USSR is dead and buried, and Russia is a poor, weak country which has no power to enforce spheres of influence against anybody.
Nobody "provoked" Russia, Putin is just a naked aggressor.
Nobody said Ukraine would or could join NATO prior to Russia's 2022 invasion. NOW, though? It's a certainty that Ukraine will.
Supremely idiotic talking point.
Ukraine did not "entered into a political and military alliance" with anyone, did they? Russia's whole little tantrum is over this nebulous idea that they might have at some unknown point in the future. Therefore, you cannot paint an analogy to Mexico actually entering into an alliance with Russia.
Nothing would happen. Proof: Venezuela already did this shit and we did nothing. Cuba already did this shit and we have done nothing since the 1960s. You don't think Cuba's alliance with the USSR ended after the Cuban Missile Crisis, did you? It's continued this whole time and nobody in the US gives a shit.
Russia is so bad that it makes globohomo look amazing by comparison. Russia has done more to help globohomo than any other nation on earth.
What would you prefer to live in? A racially unified society with strong heritage, a patriarchy, where white men aren't oppressed, objective moral values you agree with etc... or a gynocratic hellhole where you have enough wealth to blow it all on hookers and blow because the society is so vapid superficial and terrible to live in... but at least you have wealth. Lol. That's the lie that has been fed to a lot of eastern europeans. Wealth is not better than culture. Destroying white societies in the name of wealth is not worth it.
everyone would rather live in the rich West, which is why all immigration flows one direction from poor to rich.
nobody is clamoring to immigrate to Russia right now. this includes you, and all the other shills in this sub trying to lipstick that turd.
You're just making that shit up in your mind. I've actually been learning a little Russia and have been applying to jobs there to get out of the west. The west is a terrible place to live I hate it here. The best thing I could do is find a fully remote western job and live in a country other than a western one.
That's what all you russia shills do 24/7. You don't live in reality.
I. Don't. Believe. You. You're like alec baldwin talking about going to canada, lol.
Kiev wanted to be pro-EU. Ukraine voted for the pro-Russian ethnic Russian guy.
East Ukraine. West Ukraine was pro-EU. The divisions are quite real.
Yanukovich received a plurality in the first round and a majority in the second round. You're correct that there is a clear divide in the country, but if Dekachin is going to make broad claims about the country as a whole, the claim that Ukrainians wanted to be pro-EU despite the 2010 electoral results is false.
before or after shelling the opposition and banning other political parties?
It's not a democracy now mate even if it ever was, arguing that they voted for something is nonsensical and irrelevant now.
Sure, in 1 election they did that. Then, later, they changed their minds and voted the other direction and have consistently voted pro-EU ever since.
Why do you respect the feelings of the Ukrainian people only when they vote pro-russia but not otherwise? Hmmmmmm.
No they didn't. There were 6.5 million less votes in the 2014 election than in 2010. The pro-EU side didn't win because people changed their minds to become pro-EU, they won because the pro-Russia side didn't bother to vote because revolutionaries overthrowing their previous candidate proved their votes didn't matter.
So what? Zelenskyy got more votes in 2019 than Yanukovych got in 2010.
Yes actually that's exactly what happened.
Cool story bro. That was 2014. Guess what else happened in 2014? Oh, right RUSSIA INVADED AND CONQUERED THE TWO REGIONS WITH THE MOST PRO-RUSSIAN VOTES, crimea and donbass.
Putin's little land grab guaranteed that Ukraine would irreversibly trip pro-west even in the Ukrainian people didn't change to become far more pro-west in response to Putin's war of aggression, which they also did.
Lies. NATO documents that it has been courting Ukraine since 1991 on its own website: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm
They also stated their intent to add Ukraine to NATO in both 2008 and 2021 (again, from their own website):
That was 5 minutes of web searching. So, are you a paid shill or just a Ukrainian ex-pat true believer?
Please use archive links for sites like that. https://archive.ph/r7QDT
LOL
At the beginning of 2008, the Ukrainian President, Prime Minister and head of parliament sent an official letter (the so-called "letter of three") to apply for the Membership Action Plan.
In February 2008 57.8% of Ukrainians supported the idea of a national referendum on joining NATO
At the NATO summit in Bucharest in April 2008, NATO decided it would not yet offer membership to Georgia and Ukraine. Resistance was reportedly met from France and Germany. President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev responded that "reason has prevailed".
So the real history is the opposite of what you claim it was.
That's the problem I have with you Russia shills: you all lie so fucking much.
The quote is from NATO's own website. Take your concerns to them.
EU gdp per capita $37,280
Russia gdp per capita $14,665
It's clear which side is richer.