why do you care about a drawing? it's not a person
This is the most critical part from my perspective. The subject matter here doesn't actually matter, whether you hate it or enjoy it. What people need to understand is criminalizing a drawing is criminalizing something artificial. It's opening the door to thought crime, and actual government regulation of ideas.
If you care about freedom of speech, you need to support allowing people to draw whatever they want. It doesn't need to be looked upon favorably by society, nor does it need to be allowed on all platforms. But it cannot be criminalized, because it will lead to subjective government regulation of media.
Artificially generated CP (which is going to become common, you can't stop it) will sadly make it harder for CP enforcement groups to identify real victims of crime. CP rings will distribute gigs of the fake stuff mixed in with some real pictures. If the law doesn't make ALL photorealistic depictions illegal, that won't be enough to take the groups down unless you can prove which are real. (though some criminals will be stupid enough to brag about having the real shit because they get off on that)
you need to support allowing people to draw whatever they want
What if they just criminalized the distribution? You could make the same argument about drugs. You shouldn't be able to criminalize growing a plant - but you can restrict the commercial use of that plant's products.
I think we actually do need to look more closely at the specific content in question here before making broad judgements. The guy at the top who seems ok with it claims "loli is for pedos"? Really? So loli unambiguously only means "Hardcore depictions of sex with young characters"? Because critics like to apply that label to any manga or anime with young girls in it. (I guess all of us are talking about the former but you never know.)
Japan doesn't have freedom of speech by the way. Their constitution protects a general idea of "freedom of thought", but practically that isn't applied to entertainment. All theoretical though. I don't care what Japan does. They shouldn't do something because enlightened westerners demand it.
yeah, no shit it's for pedos, but more importantly, why do you care about a drawing? it's not a person.
I don't think that's the "more important" part. Posts like this just appear from time to time and loli is disgusting.
There's nothing to prove that pedos satiate their urges with loli porn. It may very well be the case, who knows, but the alternative is possible, that the legal market helps to expand the illegal market. This is what happened with legalized prostitution in Europe as the appetite of johns exceeded the supply.
yeah, no shit it's for pedos, but more importantly, why do you care about a drawing? it's not a person.
if pedos fap to lolis instead of molesting real children, that's a win in my book.
This is the most critical part from my perspective. The subject matter here doesn't actually matter, whether you hate it or enjoy it. What people need to understand is criminalizing a drawing is criminalizing something artificial. It's opening the door to thought crime, and actual government regulation of ideas.
If you care about freedom of speech, you need to support allowing people to draw whatever they want. It doesn't need to be looked upon favorably by society, nor does it need to be allowed on all platforms. But it cannot be criminalized, because it will lead to subjective government regulation of media.
Artificially generated CP (which is going to become common, you can't stop it) will sadly make it harder for CP enforcement groups to identify real victims of crime. CP rings will distribute gigs of the fake stuff mixed in with some real pictures. If the law doesn't make ALL photorealistic depictions illegal, that won't be enough to take the groups down unless you can prove which are real. (though some criminals will be stupid enough to brag about having the real shit because they get off on that)
What if they just criminalized the distribution? You could make the same argument about drugs. You shouldn't be able to criminalize growing a plant - but you can restrict the commercial use of that plant's products.
I think we actually do need to look more closely at the specific content in question here before making broad judgements. The guy at the top who seems ok with it claims "loli is for pedos"? Really? So loli unambiguously only means "Hardcore depictions of sex with young characters"? Because critics like to apply that label to any manga or anime with young girls in it. (I guess all of us are talking about the former but you never know.)
Japan doesn't have freedom of speech by the way. Their constitution protects a general idea of "freedom of thought", but practically that isn't applied to entertainment. All theoretical though. I don't care what Japan does. They shouldn't do something because enlightened westerners demand it.
I don't think that's the "more important" part. Posts like this just appear from time to time and loli is disgusting.
There's nothing to prove that pedos satiate their urges with loli porn. It may very well be the case, who knows, but the alternative is possible, that the legal market helps to expand the illegal market. This is what happened with legalized prostitution in Europe as the appetite of johns exceeded the supply.
when internet porn exploded, the moral panickers screeched that sexual crimes would skyrocket as society was flooded with porn.
the opposite happened.
the meteoric rise of free porn coincided with the sharpest decline in sexual crimes in recorded history.
Yeah the thing is though, that also coincided with a meteoric rise in hookup sex and sex with children is illegal even if they "consent"