Was watching the Timcast with Milo on and thought this point in particular deserved seperate discussion given not just recent but years of events.
The point Milo raised was that the ammendments in America can only work with a Christian society, the 2nd only works if you value life and the 1st only works in a society that regularly attends confession. He obviously has a bias but I want to expand that.
We can see that there's two aspects that is really damaging western society, constant attacks on Christianity and not really any other religion (Jew's get few but quickly slapped down by establishment) and a more individualistic view of the world.
For Democracy to work you need everyone to have a stake in it, everyone to share the same morality and everyone to want to improve their communities. On all fronts we've seen either a decrease or an abandonment of each of these values thanks to education policies, media and mass illegal immigration from conflicting cultures.
So the questions, can Democracy only exist in a fully Christian society, should the West no longer be a democracy and if so what system should take it's place, obviously not communism as no matter what that never works.
Grandstanding and religious jerking off aside, democracy originated, and lasted hundreds of years, believing in Jupiter and/or Zeus.
So the real question is, can democracy only exist in a Greco-Roman-theist society, since it existed there first, more successfully, and for longer.
But the answer is a tentative "no", as we've seen inklings of something approaching democracy in Christian nations as well.
I think what you're trying to ask is if democracy only works in a monoculture. Which is a much more valid question, as mass influx of diversity is also what caused issues in Greco-Roman democracy.
Probably more likely how many Caucasians rather than religion or culture.
Behavior en masse is largely genetic and so democracies forming in many different European cultures with different religions seems to indicate it was something else like inherent traits.
We'll never know more than correlation, but whether democracies in South America, Korea, Japans last will be telling, although the ones in SA could certainly be unstable because we've destabilized them...
American democracy being in the worst danger it's ever been (half of voters think elections are a sham) and also at the lowest level of Europeans is another data point.
I mean I hope that's wrong because if so it doesn't look good for America...
it probably also has to do with averages iq as well, the closer the average iq is to 100, the closer you get 50/50 on votes, the lower the average iq of a nation, the higher the rate of voting leftist policies (double whammy because you'll have higher population that needs government welfare and also not enough intelligent population to produce the tax revenues needed to support the system) and the faster the democracy fails
True, I used Christianity in this case as it was the predominate religion that was built on in the west for centuries. Going further back within ancient Rome and Greece there was democracy without requiring this religion.
I don't know if a monoculture is enough for Democracy to work as for example look at the left, if there existed a nation of just their values and beliefs then I fundamentally believe they would never choose a democracy as it requires some individualistic thought to debate which path forward than just follow the leader.
Democracy never works, anywhere. It immediately devolves into a dictatorship. granting the vote to everyone, making it a democracy, just means the poor and stupid vote to take the productive people's money. which quickly crashes the economic system, which requires an steel-fisted authoritarian to come along and murder the parasites in work camps.
you get to watch it play out in real time in the USA. welfare is a handful of years away from crashing our economy. we'll be 100% authoritarian regime in less than 10 years.
A republic can last as long as the only people making decisions are those with a vested financial interest in the republic i.e. The Elites.
Hell, democracy didn't work in its very birthplace. Athens lost the Peloponnesian War because the demagogue Alcibiades convinced the voters it would be a brilliant idea to open a new front against neutral Syracuse, ostensibly to help a minor ally (Segesta) but in reality with hopes of plundering the riches of Sicily and neutering a potential future rival to their hegemony over Greece, when they were winning against Sparta (their original enemy).
Even before the ensuing crippling defeat, the Athenian empire was hardly the benevolent force for liberation and mutual protection it pretended to be, being quite brutal to any who crossed it or tried to leave the Athens-led Delian League. Its ancient Persian enemy, which lent support to Sparta during the Peloponnesian War because Athens was hellbent on antagonizing them and fucking around in Ionia even after they had retreated from Greece itself, was at worst just as bad and at best might have actually been less shitty (certainly less hypocritical) than Athens & the Delians. Also it was the source of the Melian Dialogue, which boiled down to the reality that it was truly no less corrupt and oppressive than any more openly malevolent empires, in spite of all its leaders' claims to the contrary.
I don't put excessive stock in historical cycles repeating itself, but damn if it isn't tempting to substitute 'USA' for Athens, 'NATO/the GAE' for the Delian League, '(Post-Soviet) Russia' for Syracuse & Sparta both, 'China' for Persia, and 'literally everyone who has ever crossed the liberal world order and gotten bombed to slag for it, from Vietnam to Serbia to Libya & Syria' for unfortunate Melos. I don't think there's any chance for an optimistic ending (unless you're a weapons manufacturer or exporter of globohomo of course) to our latter-day Peloponnesian War either, not even for our 'Athens' should they win. (Had Athens won the Peloponnesian War, most likely its empire would still have eventually unraveled between internal dissent at the ruthless reality of Athenian hegemony and mounting external pressure from Persia and especially rising Macedon)
It's because you didn't define your terms or what form of government you really want. What does Democracy even mean? You can see from just the answers here that it ranges from an ideal that we never really were, to this or that specific form of state, to something that can't possibly exist, to something that is actively harmful and immoral. The modern definition promoted by those in charge is "Liberal Democracy" which is a fake gayop that coincidentally always aligns with GAE interests.
If I were to define Democracy, I would probably define it as voting in representatives to act in your interests in a place of authority. The idea of EVERYTHING being voted on by the entire populous is extremely retarded as people still need to work and maintain their communities.
That would at least represent the main democracies we see in the west.