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Patreon alt-tech alternative New Project 2 was shut down due to being put on a global blacklist by Mastercard (archive.ph)
posted 3 years ago by Darkchaos 3 years ago by Darkchaos +30 / -0
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– Piroko 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

So don't use card processing.

Build a system on ACH clearing.

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– Darkchaos [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Still uses the banking system, which is part of Big Finance. Banks can close your accounts if they don't want to give you service for arbitrary reasons.

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– Piroko 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah, that's why you start a bank, dummy.

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– Darkchaos [S] 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Unless you're aligned with the rich oligarchs or the government (or both) and you have a big pile of startup money, that's not going to happen.

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– Piroko 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

How much money do you think it takes to start up po-dunk neighborhood credit union managed by "that guy who was good in high school football".

Think about it real hard.

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– deleted 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0
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– Piroko 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Yes, that.

You set up a bank, a proper bank, FDIC insured, everything, and then you direct market it as a free speech harbor.

At that point it's MUCH harder for other companies to say they won't work with you. If the customer with the money says to transfer the money, they have to transfer it as a legitimate, authorized transaction.

Refusing at that point means going to federal court and convicting the BFS to say you're not a legitimate bank. That's a much, MUCH higher hurdle, one these leftists won't be able to clear.

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– Piroko 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Banks have capital requirements that none of us could meet.

You are thinking the numbers are a couple orders of magnitude larger than the numbers really are.

How do you think local credit unions keep poping up and then going under?

If you go under them for a second, you'll be shut down.

Yes, and?

ACH suffers from the same problem as MasterCard.

NACHA IS ONLY AN INDUSTRY GROUP, THE RULE MAKING BODY IS THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY.

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– Piroko 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

NACHA is an industry group, they don't make the rules.

The Bureau of Fiscal Service makes the rules. That's the Treasury Department.

Means that to shut you down, they have to get the FEDS to shut you down, they can't just blacklist you out of spite.

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– Piroko 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

During the era of checks, every federal reserve bank hosted a "clearinghouse".

This was a location where all the banks under that Reserve Bank would meet and swap checks that had been given to them. Balances would be paid out.

ACH replaced that system electronically. Instead of a paper check, an ETF record is handed around and then money changes hands.

The system is still fundamentally controlled by the government. The only ways a transaction can be refused is either because it was unauthorized/fraudulent, or because the account doesn't have the funds.

To actually kick a participant out of the ACH system would require the participating entity to be recognized as a habitual source of fraudulent or overdrafting transactions, and that determination is made by the government, and can be fought in federal court.

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