"Because we are too nice to fight seriously" or "we fight using anime rules where we purposely fight using a lower power level, then, when we lose, we "get serious" and unlock our full power level" makes a lot less sense than simple arrogance.
There's being arrogant and there's being stupid. Surely, the Russian high command is smarter than a "Reddit moderator", since you assured me that I am very stupid for being one (in the past)?
I can use logical deduction based on circumstantial evidence from their words and actions
It just so happens that this 'logical deduction' is the same thing that everyone else is also claiming without evidence. Interesting.
In addition, the Russian military establishment has made statements that they intended to inflict a systemic collapse on the Ukrainian defense immediately before it could organize itself. This logic was used to defend the initial strategy.
But then the 'arrogance' card does not make sense. You would bomb barracks full of soldiers if you wanted such a systemic collapse.
I don't know what LR means here. However, the Kerch bridge was in no way a "civilian target". It is a vital piece of Russian military infrastructure used to supply the Russian occupation of Crimea.
Alright, so every single bridge in Little Russia is now fair game.
The same would be true if a car happened to be nearby when HIMARS strikes hit the Antonivka Bridge.
That would be awful. That might slightly damage the suspension!
The big difference is that those civilian deaths were an unintended consequence of a strike on a strategic target, whereas with the Russian reprisals, the civilian deaths were the object and purpose of the strikes.
More mind-reading? I just read, no idea if true, that 40 missiles hit with 11 civilian casualties.
Also, what strategic target is there in the center of Donetsk which is pelted with cluster munitions by Ukraine? C'mon, stop being a shill. I condemned the destruction of Mariupol, and you can act like an adult as well.
It's highly likely that Putin's little tantrum will result in additional sanctions and/or military aid to Ukraine as a direct response. That's a meaningful self-own.
More sanctions? Great, so more Germans will freeze and starve?
You are smart enough to know that the pieces of shit in charges of Europe and America don't care one bit about "civilian casualties".
That makes little sense. Even if I think that I "don't need to" do something, I'm still going to do it. You always have Plan B, especially if your Plan A is a highly unlikely to succeed coup de main.
"Because we are too nice to fight seriously" or "we fight using anime rules where we purposely fight using a lower power level, then, when we lose, we "get serious" and unlock our full power level" makes a lot less sense than simple arrogance.
There's being arrogant and there's being stupid. Surely, the Russian high command is smarter than a "Reddit moderator", since you assured me that I am very stupid for being one (in the past)?
I don't have a strong position on either side of this debate, but I do have to side with u/dekachin on this point. Russia almost certainly didn't want this war to drag on as long as it has, and they almost certainly thought they could wrap it up in a month or two at most.
I think people underestimate just how much corruption there is in the Russian government. There are stories of millions of dollars (technically, rubles) being allocated to projects within the government and not one cent of it actually ending up being used for it's intended purpose. Just like China and North Korea, a significant amount of Russia's military "might" is exaggerated and for show. Corruption and incompetence are hallmarks of practically every authoritarian government, and Russia is no exception.
It's just not believable to me that Russia is actually hyper-competent and has been holding back all this time.
That said, I still think Russia is a huge threat if for no other reason than the sheer number of nuclear warheads they have at their disposal. Even if only 10% of those warheads actually work, that's still enough to destroy a hemisphere. Combined with the potential mental instability of the man in charge, and this is a recipe for disaster unlike the world has ever seen.
There's being arrogant and there's being stupid. Surely, the Russian high command is smarter than a "Reddit moderator", since you assured me that I am very stupid for being one (in the past)?
You have more sense than Putin and the Russian High Command because you don't live in the bubble of incompetent yes-men that Putin cultivated around himself. You're expressing disbelief, but you don't have an alternative explanation.
But then the 'arrogance' card does not make sense. You would bomb barracks full of soldiers if you wanted such a systemic collapse.
It does, but the Russians were also incompetent. The Russians were betting that the Ukrainians would lack the will to fight. But you're correct that clear military targets were totally ignored or Russia otherwise failed to attack them. I would again point to the Ukrainian air force, which totally escaped destruction early on even though Russia had the element of surprise and should have blasted every air base in Ukraine to rubble in the opening hours. It didn't happen. So then Ukraine dispersed its aircraft and hide them away so that when Russia did belatedly shoot cruise missiles at some air bases, they didn't hit any aircraft. By contrast, Ukraine successfully caught Russians stacking up planes in their forward air bases within artillery range more than once, and blew up a couple dozen of them.
There is no explanation for this that makes sense other than a mixture of arrogance and incompetence.
Alright, so every single bridge in Little Russia is now fair game.
Oh? Did the FSB contractors get a memo to call Ukraine "little russia" now? lol. Well, they have ALWAYS been fair game. Just look at the Pidyomnyy/Zatoka Bridge south of Odessa, far from the fighting just like Kerch. Russia kept throwing cruise missiles at it for months, and finally succeeded in closing it in June/July afaik but I don't have any recent sources on it.
So if Russia can do it, so can Ukraine. Russia cries when Kerch gets blown up, but it had just done the same thing to Zatoka and bragged about it in state media.
Russia is like a bully who is beating up on some smaller kid, and then the kid lands a good punch and Russia gets a bloody nose, then Russia gets REALLY MAD because the bullied kid was supposed to just lie down and take it and not fight back. It's all so pathetic.
That would be awful. That might slightly damage the suspension!
HIMARS closed the Antonivka bridge a while back and it has never been re-opened. Russia has been relying on a ferry for a while now. Not really sure why you keep pretending that HIMARS only makes "potholes" because of one pic you saw a long time back that didn't impress you.
Also, what strategic target is there in the center of Donetsk which is pelted with cluster munitions by Ukraine?
Never heard of it. Did this happen recently? I heard that some local commander fired on a civilian area early in the war, and he got criticized for it by the Ukrainian government, not sure if he was fired or what, but that was a long time ago now.
You are smart enough to know that the pieces of shit in charges of Europe and America don't care one bit about "civilian casualties".
You're wrong, I think they very much do. Just because your side doesn't, doesn't mean the rest of the world operates that way. You keep projecting and trying to pretend like everyone is the same. That's not true. Some people, like Russia and China, are just evil.
There were many attacks on Ukrainian military installations in the initial missile barrages and bombing raids of February 24. One of them for example destroyed an entire S-300 battalion worth of equipment (12 launchers parked next to each other outside) still in its base, others hit radars etc. Guys on the eastern frontline got hit super hard by artillery (but withstood, and have held on there for over half year since then in some still very same places).
One of them for example destroyed an entire S-300 battalion worth of equipment (12 launchers parked next to each other outside) still in its base, others hit radars etc.
I just looked up Oryx and that happened March 30, apparently: 12 5P851A (launcher for S-300PT): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
The S-300PT is the oldest version so those might have been inoperable for some reason, which is why they would be at a depot and not deployed. Plus the fact that it was only launchers and not radars. Besides those 12, there have only been 12 more TEL destroyed the entire war, and not a single radar.
There's being arrogant and there's being stupid. Surely, the Russian high command is smarter than a "Reddit moderator", since you assured me that I am very stupid for being one (in the past)?
It just so happens that this 'logical deduction' is the same thing that everyone else is also claiming without evidence. Interesting.
But then the 'arrogance' card does not make sense. You would bomb barracks full of soldiers if you wanted such a systemic collapse.
Alright, so every single bridge in Little Russia is now fair game.
That would be awful. That might slightly damage the suspension!
More mind-reading? I just read, no idea if true, that 40 missiles hit with 11 civilian casualties.
Also, what strategic target is there in the center of Donetsk which is pelted with cluster munitions by Ukraine? C'mon, stop being a shill. I condemned the destruction of Mariupol, and you can act like an adult as well.
More sanctions? Great, so more Germans will freeze and starve?
You are smart enough to know that the pieces of shit in charges of Europe and America don't care one bit about "civilian casualties".
I don't have a strong position on either side of this debate, but I do have to side with u/dekachin on this point. Russia almost certainly didn't want this war to drag on as long as it has, and they almost certainly thought they could wrap it up in a month or two at most.
I think people underestimate just how much corruption there is in the Russian government. There are stories of millions of dollars (technically, rubles) being allocated to projects within the government and not one cent of it actually ending up being used for it's intended purpose. Just like China and North Korea, a significant amount of Russia's military "might" is exaggerated and for show. Corruption and incompetence are hallmarks of practically every authoritarian government, and Russia is no exception.
It's just not believable to me that Russia is actually hyper-competent and has been holding back all this time.
That said, I still think Russia is a huge threat if for no other reason than the sheer number of nuclear warheads they have at their disposal. Even if only 10% of those warheads actually work, that's still enough to destroy a hemisphere. Combined with the potential mental instability of the man in charge, and this is a recipe for disaster unlike the world has ever seen.
There were 5 killed and over 30 wounded only in that "One of the targets was the headquarters of the SBU" of yours that didn't hit it.
The supposed negotiator (military intelligence officer) died in combat and not in the city.
The center of Donetsk (I guess you mean the Donetsk city here) isn't pelted with cluster munitions by Ukraine.
You have more sense than Putin and the Russian High Command because you don't live in the bubble of incompetent yes-men that Putin cultivated around himself. You're expressing disbelief, but you don't have an alternative explanation.
It does, but the Russians were also incompetent. The Russians were betting that the Ukrainians would lack the will to fight. But you're correct that clear military targets were totally ignored or Russia otherwise failed to attack them. I would again point to the Ukrainian air force, which totally escaped destruction early on even though Russia had the element of surprise and should have blasted every air base in Ukraine to rubble in the opening hours. It didn't happen. So then Ukraine dispersed its aircraft and hide them away so that when Russia did belatedly shoot cruise missiles at some air bases, they didn't hit any aircraft. By contrast, Ukraine successfully caught Russians stacking up planes in their forward air bases within artillery range more than once, and blew up a couple dozen of them.
There is no explanation for this that makes sense other than a mixture of arrogance and incompetence.
Oh? Did the FSB contractors get a memo to call Ukraine "little russia" now? lol. Well, they have ALWAYS been fair game. Just look at the Pidyomnyy/Zatoka Bridge south of Odessa, far from the fighting just like Kerch. Russia kept throwing cruise missiles at it for months, and finally succeeded in closing it in June/July afaik but I don't have any recent sources on it.
So if Russia can do it, so can Ukraine. Russia cries when Kerch gets blown up, but it had just done the same thing to Zatoka and bragged about it in state media.
Russia is like a bully who is beating up on some smaller kid, and then the kid lands a good punch and Russia gets a bloody nose, then Russia gets REALLY MAD because the bullied kid was supposed to just lie down and take it and not fight back. It's all so pathetic.
HIMARS closed the Antonivka bridge a while back and it has never been re-opened. Russia has been relying on a ferry for a while now. Not really sure why you keep pretending that HIMARS only makes "potholes" because of one pic you saw a long time back that didn't impress you.
Never heard of it. Did this happen recently? I heard that some local commander fired on a civilian area early in the war, and he got criticized for it by the Ukrainian government, not sure if he was fired or what, but that was a long time ago now.
You're wrong, I think they very much do. Just because your side doesn't, doesn't mean the rest of the world operates that way. You keep projecting and trying to pretend like everyone is the same. That's not true. Some people, like Russia and China, are just evil.
There were many attacks on Ukrainian military installations in the initial missile barrages and bombing raids of February 24. One of them for example destroyed an entire S-300 battalion worth of equipment (12 launchers parked next to each other outside) still in its base, others hit radars etc. Guys on the eastern frontline got hit super hard by artillery (but withstood, and have held on there for over half year since then in some still very same places).
I just looked up Oryx and that happened March 30, apparently: 12 5P851A (launcher for S-300PT): (1, destroyed) (2, destroyed) (3, destroyed) (4, destroyed) (5, destroyed) (6, destroyed) (7, destroyed) (8, destroyed) (9, destroyed) (10, destroyed) (11, destroyed) (12, destroyed) https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
The S-300PT is the oldest version so those might have been inoperable for some reason, which is why they would be at a depot and not deployed. Plus the fact that it was only launchers and not radars. Besides those 12, there have only been 12 more TEL destroyed the entire war, and not a single radar.