The helpless 37 year old man bears no responsibility for sticking his dick in the 17 year old girl he raised since he was nine. That's what you're going with?
She seduced him. And no, I am not "going with" the retarded straw man position you built of calling him helpless and having "no responsibility".
I'm sure he was a totally upstanding guy up to that point
He didn't murder anyone, dumbfuck. But your NPC programming has commanded you to see him fucking a LEGAL 17 year old girl [Ohio's age of consent is 16] as somehow worse than her murder of multiple helpless children.
And yes, men are vulnerable to seduction from scheming, evil women. If a hot, fresh cookie is jumping into your mouth begging you to eat it, it takes a lot of willpower not to bite down. The cookie bears more responsibility than you do.
because no man has ever actually abused a stepdaughter.
If he abused her, why did she seduce him and marry him and have numerous children with him? I didn't see any allegations from her that he abused her. Are you just assuming that without evidence because your NPC programming activated again? Why don't you get your emotions under control and start using logic and reason instead.
I'm not saying the woman isn't culpable for murdering her children.
LOL. The fact that you felt the need to point that out just shows how twisted and detached from reality your comment is.
But this horrific tragedy didn't just drop out of the sky.
So is she responsible for the murders she committed, or are you going to argue that she's just an innocent victim of her circumstances like a libtard? She didn't murder her children because she was "abused", although she may very well have been abused. Child abuse is very common. I'm sure 99.999% of child abuse victims do not go on to commit murder. Ergo, one does not cause the other. She is just a mentally ill psychopath who is trying to play the victim, and you're falling for it because you're a simp.
your amused "lol wimmen amirite?" attitude is just part of the sickness.
No, you are part of the sickness. You are a simp and an NPC. Your brain is broken and has been subverted by forces you don't even understand. I could hardly call you a human in anything but the most technical sense. People like you - weaponized NPCs who have succumbed like zombies to emotionally-driven propaganda - are what is truly wrong with modern society.
He didn't say she is not responsible for her crime. Just called you out on what I agree is a bad frame of a 36 year old man fucking his girlfriend's underage daughter.
Is he not responsible for that? I don't care if he seduced him. Are we not responsible for things even if a woman is being sexy? The moment a 14 year old winks at you, all social contract goes void?
There is no mutual exclusivity in terms of responsibility. There is no shortage of things everyone is responsible for, or any rule saying that overlapping responsibilities cancel out one another. She has proven to be a dangerous psycho as an adult and we are talking about the same person at age 14. I am sure her life is a trail of failed responsibilities and evil choices given the audacity it takes to play victim in a scenario where you've murdered your own children.
Still, nothing about that changes the responsibility of a 36 year old to avoid sexual contact with her as a 14 year old. In fact this story is like a real-life hyperbole, like a scary tall tale parents would tell their sons on a camping trip to scare them from growing up to be promiscuous.
I don't care if he seduced him. Are we not responsible for things even if a woman is being sexy?
That is indeed the case with a very large percentage of the world. I don't personally agree, but obviously reasonable people can disagree about sexual responsibility.
While I expect men to have a reasonable degree of self control, a seducer can quite easily break through a reasonable degree of self control. We all know "don't stick your dick in crazy" yet men do, in fact, stick their dick in crazy all the time because crazy girls tend to be good seducers.
When a man fails to resist seduction, it is a failure of weakness, not a failure of malice or intent. I see weakness as a far lesser problem than malicious intent. It's the same issue when you have a malicious scammer and a stupid scam victim. Neither are sympathetic. The scammer is worse.
He didn't say she is not responsible for her crime.
His argument in substance was to deflect her responsibility by trying to shift it to the father, purely because his creep factor is triggered. I reject that nonsense.
There is no mutual exclusivity in terms of responsibility.
There is for murder. She was solely responsible for her murders.
And why do you keep saying 14? Nothing in the article said there was evidence he was having sex with her at 14. It said 17.
What evidence, exactly, would satisfy you? Certainly nothing I have to say, but I'll try to explain why I'm so sure of it.
She's a psycho. Likely has BPD and other mental illnesses. Women like that are highly likely to exploit their sexual power to accomplish anti-social ambitions like "I'm going to steal my mother's boyfriend away".
Psychos are not generally born, though some people are more vulnerable, they are made through bad parenting. Women with BPD and other serious mental illnesses like this woman, generally got that way because of trauma in early childhood from bad parenting, which usually involves abuse, but can also come from neglect. The father didn't come into her life until she was older.
The fact that she committed murder shows she is an aggressor in personality type, not passive/submissive.
If the father was the aggressor, the odds of collapse of their little relationship would be far higher. The fact that they stayed together for many years and had a number of children, AND that she is crazy, tells me that he basically put up with her crazy, meaning she counterbalanced that with seduction and emotional manipulation.
If the father had been the aggressor, he would have tired of her soon enough and sought another victim as opposed to settling down for a prolonged period and having kids.
The fact that he was given a wrist slap plea deal to a misdemeanor was a tacit admission they had no case against him, which means they had no proof he was the aggressor. If it wasn't a high profile case he would have had the charges dropped. It's a Big Lie in US courts that the younger woman can NEVER be the aggressor, when in truth it is more often than not the case.
There's more, but that's some points off the top of my head. I don't expect you to understand or agree, but there are a lot of factors I am considering based on having a lot of knowledge regarding women in general and crazy women specifically. I have a high degree of certainty that I'm right.
Quite immaterial. Being a psycho or not has no relation whatsoever to your claim that "she seduced him".
The father didn't come into her life until she was older.
This has no relation whatsoever to your claim that "she seduced him".
The fact that she committed murder shows she is an aggressor in personality type, not passive/submissive.
Again, this crackpot pop psychology has no bearing whatsoever on your claim that "she seduced him". She sure knew how to be an aggressor against helpless infants. There is no evidence that you've presented that she knew how to be against a grown man.
If the father was the aggressor, the odds of collapse of their little relationship would be far higher
A collapse, by for example murdering his children? This once again is just an assertion that you're throwing out there.
If the father had been the aggressor, he would have tired of her soon enough and sought another victim as opposed to settling down for a prolonged period and having kids.
It's funny that you make up an entire backstory, motivations and all sorts of actions based on a headline. What you made up in no way relates to your claim that "she seduced him".
The fact that he was given a wrist slap plea deal to a misdemeanor was a tacit admission they had no case against him, which means they had no proof he was the aggressor. If it wasn't a high profile case he would have had the charges dropped. It's a Big Lie in US courts that the younger woman can NEVER be the aggressor, when in truth it is more often than not the case.
Whatever US courts do in no way relates to who in this specific instance was the "aggressor" as you say.
I don't expect you to understand or agree, but there are a lot of factors I am considering based on having a lot of knowledge regarding women in general and crazy women specifically. I have a high degree of certainty that I'm right.
I don't doubt that you do, as always. However, you have presented no evidence at all, let alone anything that would demonstrate your outright assertion that "she seduced him".
If you're going to be close minded, argumentative, and hostile, that's the last time I ever put any effort into explaining anything to you. Duly noted to just ignore you next time you hit me with a dO yOu hAvE a SoUrCe bRo??
"DUUUH you disagree with me therefore you are an NPC.." Brilliant.
He didn't murder anyone, dumbfuck. But your NPC programming has commanded you to see him fucking a LEGAL 17 year old girl [Ohio's age of consent is 16] as somehow worse than her murder of multiple helpless children.
Now who is making a strawman? Did I ever say what he did was worse?
fucking a LEGAL 17 year old girl
Legal is not the same as moral.
The cookie bears more responsibility than you do.
Fucking pathetic. The first step in being a decent man is taking responsibility for your actions, not blaming them on a "cookie jumping in your mouth."
Is this the kind of manliness you think will save western civilization from degeneracy?
If you can't stop yourself from fucking your own stepdaughter, you shouldn't be around children. Ever.
If he abused her, why did she seduce him and marry him and have numerous children with him?
Where is the accusation she seduced him?
Also, try looking up Battered Spouse Syndrome.
I didn't see any allegations from her that he abused her.
Maybe you should have read another article about it.
That abuse came at the hands of her mother’s boyfriend, Joe Pilkington, who later married Brittany.
Now I know you're just going to say she's lying, and maybe she is.
I just find it far less likely that she had a nice, healthy childhood and then suddenly decided to seduce poor, defenseless Good Guy Joe because of spontaneous pure evil.
So is she responsible for the murders she committed, or are you going to argue that she's just an innocent victim of her circumstances like a libtard?
Hey! Remember ten minutes ago when I wrote this?
Everyone is ultimately responsible for their own actions, and life in prison is the least she deserves.
What part of that was so difficult for you to comprehend, unemotional logic and reason guy?
Are you just butthurt about having your "women are evil, men are their victims" beliefs challenged?
men are to blame for everything, it is "manly" to put the blame for everything on men
I don't think I will, simp.
“She had a monster in her life, from the age of 9,” said Kort Gatterdam, one of her defense attorneys. “Being shown pornography, being raped, being raped repeatedly.”
Defense lawyers can say all kinds of made up bullshit at sentencing. If any of that was true and supported by the flimsiest of evidence, he would not have gotten a wrist slap misdemeanor. That same dumbfuck lawyer also claimed that his psycho client killed her kids because of lead poisoning. He was clearly just pulling shit out of his ass without any basis in fact or evidence.
Now I know you're just going to say she's lying, and maybe she is.
She didn't say it, did she? That article is also wrong, the father didn't get convicted of sexual battery, the other article correctly stated he only got a technical misdemeanor.
I just find it far less likely that she had a nice, healthy childhood
It's likely her mom was horrible, hence why she's so crazy. But by age 9 her mind was already formed. She didn't become crazy after that, she already was. There's no reason to believe the father made her that way.
She seduced him. And no, I am not "going with" the retarded straw man position you built of calling him helpless and having "no responsibility".
He didn't murder anyone, dumbfuck. But your NPC programming has commanded you to see him fucking a LEGAL 17 year old girl [Ohio's age of consent is 16] as somehow worse than her murder of multiple helpless children.
And yes, men are vulnerable to seduction from scheming, evil women. If a hot, fresh cookie is jumping into your mouth begging you to eat it, it takes a lot of willpower not to bite down. The cookie bears more responsibility than you do.
If he abused her, why did she seduce him and marry him and have numerous children with him? I didn't see any allegations from her that he abused her. Are you just assuming that without evidence because your NPC programming activated again? Why don't you get your emotions under control and start using logic and reason instead.
LOL. The fact that you felt the need to point that out just shows how twisted and detached from reality your comment is.
So is she responsible for the murders she committed, or are you going to argue that she's just an innocent victim of her circumstances like a libtard? She didn't murder her children because she was "abused", although she may very well have been abused. Child abuse is very common. I'm sure 99.999% of child abuse victims do not go on to commit murder. Ergo, one does not cause the other. She is just a mentally ill psychopath who is trying to play the victim, and you're falling for it because you're a simp.
No, you are part of the sickness. You are a simp and an NPC. Your brain is broken and has been subverted by forces you don't even understand. I could hardly call you a human in anything but the most technical sense. People like you - weaponized NPCs who have succumbed like zombies to emotionally-driven propaganda - are what is truly wrong with modern society.
He didn't say she is not responsible for her crime. Just called you out on what I agree is a bad frame of a 36 year old man fucking his girlfriend's underage daughter.
Is he not responsible for that? I don't care if he seduced him. Are we not responsible for things even if a woman is being sexy? The moment a 14 year old winks at you, all social contract goes void?
There is no mutual exclusivity in terms of responsibility. There is no shortage of things everyone is responsible for, or any rule saying that overlapping responsibilities cancel out one another. She has proven to be a dangerous psycho as an adult and we are talking about the same person at age 14. I am sure her life is a trail of failed responsibilities and evil choices given the audacity it takes to play victim in a scenario where you've murdered your own children.
Still, nothing about that changes the responsibility of a 36 year old to avoid sexual contact with her as a 14 year old. In fact this story is like a real-life hyperbole, like a scary tall tale parents would tell their sons on a camping trip to scare them from growing up to be promiscuous.
o_o
That is indeed the case with a very large percentage of the world. I don't personally agree, but obviously reasonable people can disagree about sexual responsibility.
While I expect men to have a reasonable degree of self control, a seducer can quite easily break through a reasonable degree of self control. We all know "don't stick your dick in crazy" yet men do, in fact, stick their dick in crazy all the time because crazy girls tend to be good seducers.
When a man fails to resist seduction, it is a failure of weakness, not a failure of malice or intent. I see weakness as a far lesser problem than malicious intent. It's the same issue when you have a malicious scammer and a stupid scam victim. Neither are sympathetic. The scammer is worse.
His argument in substance was to deflect her responsibility by trying to shift it to the father, purely because his creep factor is triggered. I reject that nonsense.
There is for murder. She was solely responsible for her murders.
And why do you keep saying 14? Nothing in the article said there was evidence he was having sex with her at 14. It said 17.
She did? I'm sure you can show me the evidence.
What evidence, exactly, would satisfy you? Certainly nothing I have to say, but I'll try to explain why I'm so sure of it.
She's a psycho. Likely has BPD and other mental illnesses. Women like that are highly likely to exploit their sexual power to accomplish anti-social ambitions like "I'm going to steal my mother's boyfriend away".
Psychos are not generally born, though some people are more vulnerable, they are made through bad parenting. Women with BPD and other serious mental illnesses like this woman, generally got that way because of trauma in early childhood from bad parenting, which usually involves abuse, but can also come from neglect. The father didn't come into her life until she was older.
The fact that she committed murder shows she is an aggressor in personality type, not passive/submissive.
If the father was the aggressor, the odds of collapse of their little relationship would be far higher. The fact that they stayed together for many years and had a number of children, AND that she is crazy, tells me that he basically put up with her crazy, meaning she counterbalanced that with seduction and emotional manipulation.
If the father had been the aggressor, he would have tired of her soon enough and sought another victim as opposed to settling down for a prolonged period and having kids.
The fact that he was given a wrist slap plea deal to a misdemeanor was a tacit admission they had no case against him, which means they had no proof he was the aggressor. If it wasn't a high profile case he would have had the charges dropped. It's a Big Lie in US courts that the younger woman can NEVER be the aggressor, when in truth it is more often than not the case.
There's more, but that's some points off the top of my head. I don't expect you to understand or agree, but there are a lot of factors I am considering based on having a lot of knowledge regarding women in general and crazy women specifically. I have a high degree of certainty that I'm right.
Quite immaterial. Being a psycho or not has no relation whatsoever to your claim that "she seduced him".
This has no relation whatsoever to your claim that "she seduced him".
Again, this crackpot pop psychology has no bearing whatsoever on your claim that "she seduced him". She sure knew how to be an aggressor against helpless infants. There is no evidence that you've presented that she knew how to be against a grown man.
A collapse, by for example murdering his children? This once again is just an assertion that you're throwing out there.
It's funny that you make up an entire backstory, motivations and all sorts of actions based on a headline. What you made up in no way relates to your claim that "she seduced him".
Whatever US courts do in no way relates to who in this specific instance was the "aggressor" as you say.
I don't doubt that you do, as always. However, you have presented no evidence at all, let alone anything that would demonstrate your outright assertion that "she seduced him".
If you're going to be close minded, argumentative, and hostile, that's the last time I ever put any effort into explaining anything to you. Duly noted to just ignore you next time you hit me with a dO yOu hAvE a SoUrCe bRo??
This is something you can only understand if you've been the target of the advances of a teenage girl.
How does you having been targeted by the "advances of a teenage girl" prove that this guy was "seduced" and did not rape the murderess?
Show me the evidence.
"DUUUH you disagree with me therefore you are an NPC.." Brilliant.
Now who is making a strawman? Did I ever say what he did was worse?
Legal is not the same as moral.
Fucking pathetic. The first step in being a decent man is taking responsibility for your actions, not blaming them on a "cookie jumping in your mouth."
Is this the kind of manliness you think will save western civilization from degeneracy?
If you can't stop yourself from fucking your own stepdaughter, you shouldn't be around children. Ever.
Where is the accusation she seduced him?
Also, try looking up Battered Spouse Syndrome.
Maybe you should have read another article about it.
Now I know you're just going to say she's lying, and maybe she is.
I just find it far less likely that she had a nice, healthy childhood and then suddenly decided to seduce poor, defenseless Good Guy Joe because of spontaneous pure evil.
Hey! Remember ten minutes ago when I wrote this?
What part of that was so difficult for you to comprehend, unemotional logic and reason guy?
Are you just butthurt about having your "women are evil, men are their victims" beliefs challenged?
Okay.
I don't think I will, simp.
Defense lawyers can say all kinds of made up bullshit at sentencing. If any of that was true and supported by the flimsiest of evidence, he would not have gotten a wrist slap misdemeanor. That same dumbfuck lawyer also claimed that his psycho client killed her kids because of lead poisoning. He was clearly just pulling shit out of his ass without any basis in fact or evidence.
She didn't say it, did she? That article is also wrong, the father didn't get convicted of sexual battery, the other article correctly stated he only got a technical misdemeanor.
It's likely her mom was horrible, hence why she's so crazy. But by age 9 her mind was already formed. She didn't become crazy after that, she already was. There's no reason to believe the father made her that way.
Boring.
Good night, and good luck.