This leads me to a debate / argument I had with my wife about judging people. She is somewhat more religious and we were talking about judging people and how it is not our place to judge people. This was related to abortion but it applies here.
If we are suppose to not judge an adult human being fucking 5 year old then there is something very wrong.
Edit: I would not mind a religious persons perspective on this one. How far should not judging others needs to go?
I had a friend whose brother had raped a little girl. He got out of prison and was invited to a family reunion. They made sure children were never near him, but also treated him with love.
Would it be kindness to not judge an alcoholic by giving them a beer, or by going somewhere to not drink? To me it's the same as a friend with a broken leg not being able to skateboard at the moment. A tall friend can't fit in things as easily as a smaller friend.
It's not judging, it's recognizing the problem and finding a way to still be happy and dealing with the problem with love. Did Christ judge when people woke him up from a nap? No, he dealt with the problem, and then went back to bed. Trying to hold on to a grudge, or constantly view things angrily solves no problems and makes it difficult to think straight and see joy.
The left wants forgiveness where the children are put back with the man who just came out of prison. They are demanding that the kid in the wheelchair can still compete on a skateboard. The alcoholic should go to pub tomorrow and drink with mates. They think tall people can see the bottom shelf at a store. They want the problem ignored, or hold a grudge against those who mention the problem. They judge because they think someone else is judging.
This is part of being Christian, we need to seek a solution to a problem with love. It's not always easy, and can mean extra rules at a family reunion, but it is possible.
I've been trying to be more religious of late. I've been an atheist/ agnostic for a long time but started going to church and reading the bible. Not judging and not hating is freaking hard to do. There is something evil about hamming children that that makes my blood boil.
Christ didn't tell us to not judge, He told us to be prepared to be judged by the standard that we use. It's more a caution against religion than morality (so-and-so doesn't tithe enough, they're going to hell!).
There's also plenty of scriptural support for hating evil. Right now, I particularly like this bit from Jude:
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction; 23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" wasn't followed up with Christ picking up a rock and chucking it to begin the stoning process. In even your example, it's pulling them out of the fire, not pushing them into it. It is still saving, salving, succoring. Which, you know, is kind of important to an all-forgiving being. But it certainly doesn't affirm "fuck 'em all, they're all evil. Brimstone, floods, and salt pillar time.", that's more Old Testament flavor.
This leads me to a debate / argument I had with my wife about judging people. She is somewhat more religious and we were talking about judging people and how it is not our place to judge people. This was related to abortion but it applies here.
If we are suppose to not judge an adult human being fucking 5 year old then there is something very wrong.
Edit: I would not mind a religious persons perspective on this one. How far should not judging others needs to go?
I had a friend whose brother had raped a little girl. He got out of prison and was invited to a family reunion. They made sure children were never near him, but also treated him with love.
Would it be kindness to not judge an alcoholic by giving them a beer, or by going somewhere to not drink? To me it's the same as a friend with a broken leg not being able to skateboard at the moment. A tall friend can't fit in things as easily as a smaller friend.
It's not judging, it's recognizing the problem and finding a way to still be happy and dealing with the problem with love. Did Christ judge when people woke him up from a nap? No, he dealt with the problem, and then went back to bed. Trying to hold on to a grudge, or constantly view things angrily solves no problems and makes it difficult to think straight and see joy.
The left wants forgiveness where the children are put back with the man who just came out of prison. They are demanding that the kid in the wheelchair can still compete on a skateboard. The alcoholic should go to pub tomorrow and drink with mates. They think tall people can see the bottom shelf at a store. They want the problem ignored, or hold a grudge against those who mention the problem. They judge because they think someone else is judging.
This is part of being Christian, we need to seek a solution to a problem with love. It's not always easy, and can mean extra rules at a family reunion, but it is possible.
I've been trying to be more religious of late. I've been an atheist/ agnostic for a long time but started going to church and reading the bible. Not judging and not hating is freaking hard to do. There is something evil about hamming children that that makes my blood boil.
I guess I have a long way to go.
Christ didn't tell us to not judge, He told us to be prepared to be judged by the standard that we use. It's more a caution against religion than morality (so-and-so doesn't tithe enough, they're going to hell!).
There's also plenty of scriptural support for hating evil. Right now, I particularly like this bit from Jude:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" wasn't followed up with Christ picking up a rock and chucking it to begin the stoning process. In even your example, it's pulling them out of the fire, not pushing them into it. It is still saving, salving, succoring. Which, you know, is kind of important to an all-forgiving being. But it certainly doesn't affirm "fuck 'em all, they're all evil. Brimstone, floods, and salt pillar time.", that's more Old Testament flavor.