Cattle, sheep and other livestock are going to die because of the F&MD decision (it has already jumped the border, because Labor ignored this advice). Very possibly people, too. And it will devastate the already fragile economy.
As for the Construction Watchdog? People are going to die, from that, directly. Like they did last time the ALP was in power, and did shit like this to appease their Union mates... Pink batts, anyone???!
Shit in that industry was already fucked, long before this, due, largely, to the influence of China, and the import of cheap labour (ha!) from Asia, substandard construction, jobs for the boys (which this only accellerates), dubious government contracts (generally at a state level), etc...
Fuck, the next few years over here are going to be absolutely wild, and not in a good way, either...
It's a fucking livestock disease, which spreads very easily, and will devastate the industry, and may actually kill people.
Do you actually... Not know about the outbreak of this shit in the 90s, in Europe and the UK..? Really??
This is NOT Covid. It isn't something they just... "Made up" (or at least, not recently)...
There's a fucking massive outbreak in Bali, so until we know more, umm, yes..?
You can't possibly be so black and white as to suggest this is anything like Covid or Monkeypox, if that's your implication.
Come on. Things are not that simple, my dude...
Edit: I actually possibly underemphasised this. If this shit gets out, in Australia, they will slaughter potentially millions of animals, infected or not, for no reason.
That is, obviously, in and of itself, completely immoral (I would actually go with pretty evil), but it will also lead to chronic meat shortages, even beyond Australia's borders, potentially for years...
The (flow on) consequences of that...? Are enormous...
This ain't lockdowns, mate. I cannot possibly overstate that YES, I DO (temporarily) SUPPORT BANNING FLIGHTS TO AND FROM THERE, for good reason. Because we know how this spreads, how easily, and what the consequences will be.
This has happened before, and it probably will again. Australia is an island country. Tourism and "waaacism"/"discwimation" be damned. This is far more fucking important. There is no reason to let this shit in, if it can possibly be avoided...
You think just being in Bali means it'll jump on your clothes and that you'll have enough viral load from that to fly back to Australia and bring into a farm ?
That would contradict pretty much every bit of science on the subject.
Foot and mouth is hugely transmissible, the last outbreak in the UK saw the slaughter of thousands of head of cattle as well as a transport ban on all livestock. He'll you couldn't even rotate the pasture they were in. Given Australia's unique take on protecting biodiversity I'm surprised they haven't grounded flights yet, and that's before you take into account it IS zoonotic despite the difficulty it has crossing the species barrier
I don’t quite understand what is going on with the other guy in this thread…
It… It has to be a troll, right?
They’re deliberately pretending to “not know”, or “not understand”, and then coming up with heaps of conflicting information which suggests they do know, but are just trying to “gotcha” both of us…
Also, who the eff is upvoting them, and downvoting us both??
Man, this is just like Reddit. Again.
For all I know it is the same fucking troll I have had similar “discussions” with on there, smh…
Anyway, you’re right. He’s wrong.
I’m an animal biologist. I’m not coming at this from a position if total ignorance, here.
I think it’s best that we both just… Stop responding, at this point. Because this is a waste of time for both of us.
Your unhinged rant full of bold, italic has convinced me that we must implement crazy measures upon the population without yet having any details at all.
You're right, let's lockdown everything, close shops, implement vaccine passports. Won't someone think of the poor livestock!
But serious question, what does banning flights from Bali help with a Livestock disease ? Do cows travel on these flights ? My noggin' is joggin', I don't quite get what you're being unhinged about.
Dude, first, hypocrite. Second, calling you "unhinged" when you're saying "PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE! BAN FLIGHTS! LOCKDOWNS!" is not an insult, it's a statement of fact.
I've already explained it to you adequately.
But you've explained nothing.
What does banning flights do ?
Source: I'm literally a fucking biologist.
But you didn't explain how banning HUMAN flights prevents this LIVESTOCK disease.
Even the USDA is like "Nah brah, no need to panic or ban flights, since humans aren't carriers".
2 completely different viruses of which humans aren't carriers of the livestock version. A full ban of flights helps nothing. OP being a "Biologist" just means he sucks at his job (not that biology as a field involves viruses. OP probably tests waste water at a filtration plant).
You... You don't understand how shoes work, do you? Or, for that matter, the fabric of clothes/bags, etc..?
You... Actually don't know anything about soil-borne viruses then?
Or you actually assume that everyone going through customs is going to voluntarily WASH their shoes, first, even if it inconveniences them..?
And for that matter, we are not the US, and thank Christ for that, honestly.
But we're a hell of a lot closer to, and more connected with, Bali, than your (apparently) country, which means that this is actually of real concern, here. Your statement here are moronic, or deluded at best.
Jesus Christ, dude... You really do have no fucking idea.
You... You don't understand how shoes work, do you? Or, for that matter, the fabric of clothes/bags, etc..?
Overreaction. The virus would not survive that long on a cloth bag nor would the cloth bag carry enough unless you filled it with Cow saliva from an infected cow and rushed it through the border straight to an Australian farm. Transmissions mostly occur in direct contact or in environments where animals are presents (with long distance travel mostly being by livestock transport and the virus remaining in the transport area).
So just like COVID, you're panicking. I sense this is a bit of political tribalism. Because a party you dislike (labour) does something, you feel the need to oppose it. Just because a party you don't like does something doesn't mean it's instantly bad.
Also, just so we're 100% on the same page here : your thread title is saying Flights need to be banned TO Bali, not FROM Bali. If the outbreak is IN Bali, what does banning flights TO Bali accomplish. Another component of your massive overreaction and unhinged rant here.
Original: https://thebalisun.com/australian-government-rejects-proposal-to-ban-flights-to-bali-due-to-foot-and-mouth-outbreak/
More: https://southburnett.com.au/news2/2022/07/13/council-urges-bali-travel-ban/
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/australias-borders-wont-close-to-indonesia-over-foot-and-mouth-disease-minister-says/mfv2c4k86 (Much more biased to the left, this site)
On the ABCC (construction watchdog) absolute bullshit: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/construction-watchdog-to-be-defunded-to-bolster-federal-budget-20220608-p5arym.html
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/backlash-as-labor-neuters-australian-building-and-construction-commission/news-story/09893f142f2f2e052c6768f4a084d533
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/master-builders-australia-launches-scathing-attack-on-labor-warning-it-not-to-abolish-construction-watchdog-if-it-wins-election/news-story/054450c596c362faf0774cd56e4b6070
Wild.
Cattle, sheep and other livestock are going to die because of the F&MD decision (it has already jumped the border, because Labor ignored this advice). Very possibly people, too. And it will devastate the already fragile economy.
As for the Construction Watchdog? People are going to die, from that, directly. Like they did last time the ALP was in power, and did shit like this to appease their Union mates... Pink batts, anyone???!
Shit in that industry was already fucked, long before this, due, largely, to the influence of China, and the import of cheap labour (ha!) from Asia, substandard construction, jobs for the boys (which this only accellerates), dubious government contracts (generally at a state level), etc...
Fuck, the next few years over here are going to be absolutely wild, and not in a good way, either...
wait, are you pro banning flights to Bali over a stupid disease ?
Temporarily, uhh, yes?
It's a fucking livestock disease, which spreads very easily, and will devastate the industry, and may actually kill people.
Do you actually... Not know about the outbreak of this shit in the 90s, in Europe and the UK..? Really??
This is NOT Covid. It isn't something they just... "Made up" (or at least, not recently)...
There's a fucking massive outbreak in Bali, so until we know more, umm, yes..?
You can't possibly be so black and white as to suggest this is anything like Covid or Monkeypox, if that's your implication.
Come on. Things are not that simple, my dude...
Edit: I actually possibly underemphasised this. If this shit gets out, in Australia, they will slaughter potentially millions of animals, infected or not, for no reason.
That is, obviously, in and of itself, completely immoral (I would actually go with pretty evil), but it will also lead to chronic meat shortages, even beyond Australia's borders, potentially for years...
The (flow on) consequences of that...? Are enormous...
This ain't lockdowns, mate. I cannot possibly overstate that YES, I DO (temporarily) SUPPORT BANNING FLIGHTS TO AND FROM THERE, for good reason. Because we know how this spreads, how easily, and what the consequences will be.
This has happened before, and it probably will again. Australia is an island country. Tourism and "waaacism"/"discwimation" be damned. This is far more fucking important. There is no reason to let this shit in, if it can possibly be avoided...
they WANT an outbreak. they WANT to destroy the food supply.
Ok, since you're not OP and not that unhinged, can you explain how banning HUMAN flights prevents a LIVESTOCK epidemic ?
i would assume it could live the 6 or so hours on someone's clothes needed to get into australia
You think just being in Bali means it'll jump on your clothes and that you'll have enough viral load from that to fly back to Australia and bring into a farm ?
That would contradict pretty much every bit of science on the subject.
i mean, is it really that impossible?
Foot and mouth is hugely transmissible, the last outbreak in the UK saw the slaughter of thousands of head of cattle as well as a transport ban on all livestock. He'll you couldn't even rotate the pasture they were in. Given Australia's unique take on protecting biodiversity I'm surprised they haven't grounded flights yet, and that's before you take into account it IS zoonotic despite the difficulty it has crossing the species barrier
I don’t quite understand what is going on with the other guy in this thread…
It… It has to be a troll, right?
They’re deliberately pretending to “not know”, or “not understand”, and then coming up with heaps of conflicting information which suggests they do know, but are just trying to “gotcha” both of us…
Also, who the eff is upvoting them, and downvoting us both??
Man, this is just like Reddit. Again.
For all I know it is the same fucking troll I have had similar “discussions” with on there, smh…
Anyway, you’re right. He’s wrong.
I’m an animal biologist. I’m not coming at this from a position if total ignorance, here.
I think it’s best that we both just… Stop responding, at this point. Because this is a waste of time for both of us.
Yes. Not a transport ban on humans, not cloth bags that humans carry around.
Banning human flights is a ridiculous over reaction.
I gave the same info to OP here : https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/15IrKtW4jF/x/c/4Ob8dpRkqRw
We all agree Aussie politicians are insane, but OP is calling for them to be even more insane.
Your unhinged rant full of bold, italic has convinced me that we must implement crazy measures upon the population without yet having any details at all.
You're right, let's lockdown everything, close shops, implement vaccine passports. Won't someone think of the poor livestock!
But serious question, what does banning flights from Bali help with a Livestock disease ? Do cows travel on these flights ? My noggin' is joggin', I don't quite get what you're being unhinged about.
I don't answer to insults.
You're naïve/ignorant about this.
Find out for yourself.
I've already explained it to you adequately.
Maybe without the insults, I could tell you more, but nah, you can look this up yourself, at this point, frankly.
It's really not fucking hard to find this stuff out.
Source: I'm literally a fucking biologist. But I knew about this even from when I was a kid.
Dude, first, hypocrite. Second, calling you "unhinged" when you're saying "PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE! BAN FLIGHTS! LOCKDOWNS!" is not an insult, it's a statement of fact.
But you've explained nothing.
What does banning flights do ?
But you didn't explain how banning HUMAN flights prevents this LIVESTOCK disease.
Even the USDA is like "Nah brah, no need to panic or ban flights, since humans aren't carriers".
For anyone wanting actual information : https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/animal-disease-information/fmd/index
This is different than the human disease, hand-foot-mouth disease : https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/hand-foot-and-mouth-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20353035
2 completely different viruses of which humans aren't carriers of the livestock version. A full ban of flights helps nothing. OP being a "Biologist" just means he sucks at his job (not that biology as a field involves viruses. OP probably tests waste water at a filtration plant).
You... You don't understand how shoes work, do you? Or, for that matter, the fabric of clothes/bags, etc..?
You... Actually don't know anything about soil-borne viruses then?
Or you actually assume that everyone going through customs is going to voluntarily WASH their shoes, first, even if it inconveniences them..?
And for that matter, we are not the US, and thank Christ for that, honestly.
But we're a hell of a lot closer to, and more connected with, Bali, than your (apparently) country, which means that this is actually of real concern, here. Your statement here are moronic, or deluded at best.
Jesus Christ, dude... You really do have no fucking idea.
Overreaction. The virus would not survive that long on a cloth bag nor would the cloth bag carry enough unless you filled it with Cow saliva from an infected cow and rushed it through the border straight to an Australian farm. Transmissions mostly occur in direct contact or in environments where animals are presents (with long distance travel mostly being by livestock transport and the virus remaining in the transport area).
Enjoy : https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mBio.00381-20
So just like COVID, you're panicking. I sense this is a bit of political tribalism. Because a party you dislike (labour) does something, you feel the need to oppose it. Just because a party you don't like does something doesn't mean it's instantly bad.
Also, just so we're 100% on the same page here : your thread title is saying Flights need to be banned TO Bali, not FROM Bali. If the outbreak is IN Bali, what does banning flights TO Bali accomplish. Another component of your massive overreaction and unhinged rant here.