I was born in 80 and didn’t hear about sex changes or anything til early 90s. Even then it was understood that cutting off your penis didn’t make you a woman. I’ll never get this obsession with affirmation. Not enough for them to believe it, the whole world has to. You see this as well in some gay activists who go ballistic at the idea that a religious person may not approve of their lifestyle and even if they don’t bother the gay person it’s still not enough.
I was born in 80 and didn’t hear about sex changes or anything til early 90s. Even then it was understood that cutting off your penis didn’t make you a woman.
It is what it was always understood as: a literal last ditch effort to save the life of someone who was so mentally damaged they were going to cut off their own dick with a cleaver in their bathroom and bleed to death. The hope was that this would reduce the likelihood of self-harm long enough for them to go through enough massive psychological and psychiatric intervention to save the patients life and put them on the long road to recovery for a horribly damaging mental illness.
They, correctly, treated the most extreme forms of gender dysphoria like the most extreme forms of body dysphoria. Someone who conditions themselves psychologically to hate their arm to the point they try to chop it off multiple times and keep ending up in the hospital is someone who requires immediate and dramatic intervention.
Optimally, people with gender dysphoria don't even take hormones at all. They just cross-dress and have therapy because they are mentally ill, but it won't destroy their lives. The whole sex change surgery is an absolute last resort. Much like removing your hand to keep you from literally sawing it off with a wood saw.
This is why saying it's "reversible" or even talking about puberty blockers is purely evil. It's not "reversible". It's literally medicine saying "if this doesn't work, the patient will die". There are no reversible last ditch efforts.
I’ll never get this obsession with affirmation.
It's not affirmation. It's enabling.
The obsession with enabling is to keep the victims permanently wounded and emotionally unstable so they are slaves dependent on the emotional enabling of their masters.
It is what it was always understood as: a literal last ditch effort to save the life of someone who was so mentally damaged they were going to cut off their own dick with a cleaver in their bathroom and bleed to death. The hope was that this would reduce the likelihood of self-harm long enough for them to go through enough massive psychological and psychiatric intervention to save the patients life and put them on the long road to recovery for a horribly damaging mental illness.
They, correctly, treated the most extreme forms of gender dysphoria like the most extreme forms of body dysphoria. Someone who conditions themselves psychologically to hate their arm to the point they try to chop it off multiple times and keep ending up in the hospital is someone who requires immediate and dramatic intervention.
Optimally, people with gender dysphoria don't even take hormones at all. They just cross-dress and have therapy because they are mentally ill, but it won't destroy their lives. The whole sex change surgery is an absolute last resort. Much like removing your hand to keep you from literally sawing it off with a wood saw.
And that's literally what real trans people are, as opposed to transtrenders (retards who call themselves trans just because of peer pressure). It IS a last resort, because if they actually have gender dysphoria, it's literally the only solution that will reduce their suicidality.
Perhaps, but if this is the case 'real' trans people are 0.00001% of the population.
The vast. vast majority of cross dressers were not going to kill themselves if they didn't get to cut off their dick. This phenomenon is a meme that has been planted in the mind of people through ideologues/psychologists and then spread in the population, like hysteria in the late 19th century, or multiple personality disorder in the 70s/80s.
Do you think people were just killing themselves left and right when no viable surgery to look like the opposite sex was available? Were third genders (in cultures that had them) killing themselves because they didn't mutilate their body? If the answer to these question is no, then 'trans' people that seemingly have the need to mutilate their body today should be seen as a societal construction.
Perhaps, but if this is the case 'real' trans people are 0.00001% of the population.
I disagree with the exact %, but yes, it's an extremely low percentage, absolutely.
The vast. vast majority of cross dressers were not going to kill themselves if they didn't get to cut off their dick. This phenomenon is a meme that has been planted in the mind of people through ideologues/psychologists and then spread in the population, like hysteria in the late 19th century, or multiple personality disorder in the 70s/80s.
Crossdressing has nothing to do with trans people, but yeah, of course they shouldn't be treated like trans people? They're both related to sex, but one is a mental issue, the other one is just a hobby/interest or whatever it is.
Do you think people were just killing themselves left and right when no viable surgery to look like the opposite sex was available?
Literally yes, why wouldn't they?
Were third genders (in cultures that had them)
There weren't any real third genders, most "third genders" are just a subservient eunuch class, this is leftie bullshit.
It was alive and well in the '80s, just in specific parts. I asked a guy if he was a man or a woman, and it ran off crying. This was San Francisco in '85.
true story, spellcheck says I should change it to he.
I guess I should’ve added I grew up in Oklahoma and now live in Texas so I guess that’s part of the reason why I wasn’t aware much. Those are pretty heavy conservative/Christian areas I grew up in. I assumed everyone was Christian til I was 8
But I think that's the point of these announcements. They did this same trick with "birthing person" around the time that Sleepy Joe's women only business bailouts were criticized.
I honestly don’t think they actually want affirmation. I think they just want people to be humiliated by being forced to claim something as true that everyone knows clearly is not.
I was born in 80 and didn’t hear about sex changes or anything til early 90s. Even then it was understood that cutting off your penis didn’t make you a woman. I’ll never get this obsession with affirmation. Not enough for them to believe it, the whole world has to. You see this as well in some gay activists who go ballistic at the idea that a religious person may not approve of their lifestyle and even if they don’t bother the gay person it’s still not enough.
It is what it was always understood as: a literal last ditch effort to save the life of someone who was so mentally damaged they were going to cut off their own dick with a cleaver in their bathroom and bleed to death. The hope was that this would reduce the likelihood of self-harm long enough for them to go through enough massive psychological and psychiatric intervention to save the patients life and put them on the long road to recovery for a horribly damaging mental illness.
They, correctly, treated the most extreme forms of gender dysphoria like the most extreme forms of body dysphoria. Someone who conditions themselves psychologically to hate their arm to the point they try to chop it off multiple times and keep ending up in the hospital is someone who requires immediate and dramatic intervention.
Optimally, people with gender dysphoria don't even take hormones at all. They just cross-dress and have therapy because they are mentally ill, but it won't destroy their lives. The whole sex change surgery is an absolute last resort. Much like removing your hand to keep you from literally sawing it off with a wood saw.
This is why saying it's "reversible" or even talking about puberty blockers is purely evil. It's not "reversible". It's literally medicine saying "if this doesn't work, the patient will die". There are no reversible last ditch efforts.
It's not affirmation. It's enabling.
The obsession with enabling is to keep the victims permanently wounded and emotionally unstable so they are slaves dependent on the emotional enabling of their masters.
It's a weapon.
Great comment, im saving it for redpilling
And that's literally what real trans people are, as opposed to transtrenders (retards who call themselves trans just because of peer pressure). It IS a last resort, because if they actually have gender dysphoria, it's literally the only solution that will reduce their suicidality.
Except it doesn't. They're still miserable, mentally ill, and 40% end up on the rope afterwards
Perhaps, but if this is the case 'real' trans people are 0.00001% of the population.
The vast. vast majority of cross dressers were not going to kill themselves if they didn't get to cut off their dick. This phenomenon is a meme that has been planted in the mind of people through ideologues/psychologists and then spread in the population, like hysteria in the late 19th century, or multiple personality disorder in the 70s/80s.
Do you think people were just killing themselves left and right when no viable surgery to look like the opposite sex was available? Were third genders (in cultures that had them) killing themselves because they didn't mutilate their body? If the answer to these question is no, then 'trans' people that seemingly have the need to mutilate their body today should be seen as a societal construction.
I disagree with the exact %, but yes, it's an extremely low percentage, absolutely.
Crossdressing has nothing to do with trans people, but yeah, of course they shouldn't be treated like trans people? They're both related to sex, but one is a mental issue, the other one is just a hobby/interest or whatever it is.
Literally yes, why wouldn't they?
There weren't any real third genders, most "third genders" are just a subservient eunuch class, this is leftie bullshit.
It was alive and well in the '80s, just in specific parts. I asked a guy if he was a man or a woman, and it ran off crying. This was San Francisco in '85.
true story, spellcheck says I should change it to he.
I guess I should’ve added I grew up in Oklahoma and now live in Texas so I guess that’s part of the reason why I wasn’t aware much. Those are pretty heavy conservative/Christian areas I grew up in. I assumed everyone was Christian til I was 8
My wife has similar feelings. She can't figure out where all of these ideas came from, and I have to explain they were common in highschool for me.
You're missing the forest for the trees here.
But I think that's the point of these announcements. They did this same trick with "birthing person" around the time that Sleepy Joe's women only business bailouts were criticized.
Ohhhh. Gotcha. Such a dumb term though
I honestly don’t think they actually want affirmation. I think they just want people to be humiliated by being forced to claim something as true that everyone knows clearly is not.
It gives them power