IQ is a significant part of the problem. I'm willing to accept that some kids got fucked over by a shitty environment or were limited by the system, but the sad truth is that most of these kids who are "behind" simply don't have the intelligence to advance beyond a certain point, and that point is often far below the capabilities of what a high school diploma proports to certify. These kids shouldn't be in college at all. They should be in a vocational program that will teach them skills that don't require book smarts but will make them employable and allow them to earn a decent wage. Allowing an infinite supply of cheap labor to flood across the Rio Grande prevents these people from making a living, and corporate America's addiction to cheap labor plays no small part in ensuring that they favor open borders.
If they don't meet the requirements for a high school diploma, they shouldn't have them. I'm not arguing otherwise. I agree with vocational programs. Some countries used to test grade school students, and if they weren't good at academics, moved them to an education program focused on trades. It worked for these students, but academia has infiltrated everything now and turned it to shit.
Let's give them a pass and unleash them at the next generation, even though they are not fit to fill that role?
I'm referring to smart kids who got fucked by a high school system that rewards compliance over intelligence, or the high IQ kids who couldn't learn because they had the misfortune of going to a "diverse" school. They're capable of university level work. They shouldn't just be given a pass without proving they deserve it, but they shouldn't be locked out of university level programs forever either. In my other comments in this thread I supported the idea of being able to prove capability in alternative ways. All that said a significant portion of the population will never be able to prove capability and they need career options that don't involve university.
So do I. Alas it's hard to filter those out. All I'm saying is, that we can't continue pretending it's all external. But go ahead and propose that we call morons out for what they are and deny them the 'easy' path. I mean, I guess you won't care being called a racist, but incidentially the moment you are called a racist your proposal is worthless and we'll keep putting morons in positions they are not able to fulfill.
At least a few upper-class white women will feel better about themselves, even though they ruined the lives of everyone they pretended to help.
I get you now. I think we largely agree on the problem and why it won't be solved. I'm under no illusions that my ideas are politically feasible. I'm just bringing them up to point out that the solution to this problem would be simple if it weren't for society's unwillingness to face some unpleasant truths.
The fundamental problem is that IQ is largely genetic and that any university program rigorous enough to impart useful skills will have to fail morons in order to retain its value. They'll never be allowed to do that because IQ isn't distributed in a politically correct manner and as you say retards will scream racism if they do.
IQ is a significant part of the problem. I'm willing to accept that some kids got fucked over by a shitty environment or were limited by the system, but the sad truth is that most of these kids who are "behind" simply don't have the intelligence to advance beyond a certain point, and that point is often far below the capabilities of what a high school diploma proports to certify. These kids shouldn't be in college at all. They should be in a vocational program that will teach them skills that don't require book smarts but will make them employable and allow them to earn a decent wage. Allowing an infinite supply of cheap labor to flood across the Rio Grande prevents these people from making a living, and corporate America's addiction to cheap labor plays no small part in ensuring that they favor open borders.
If they don't meet the requirements for a high school diploma, they shouldn't have them. I'm not arguing otherwise. I agree with vocational programs. Some countries used to test grade school students, and if they weren't good at academics, moved them to an education program focused on trades. It worked for these students, but academia has infiltrated everything now and turned it to shit.
So am I. And then? Let's give them a pass and unleash them at the next generation, even though they are not fit to fill that role?
Man, I'm glad that we stopped rewarding people that go above and beyond.
I'm referring to smart kids who got fucked by a high school system that rewards compliance over intelligence, or the high IQ kids who couldn't learn because they had the misfortune of going to a "diverse" school. They're capable of university level work. They shouldn't just be given a pass without proving they deserve it, but they shouldn't be locked out of university level programs forever either. In my other comments in this thread I supported the idea of being able to prove capability in alternative ways. All that said a significant portion of the population will never be able to prove capability and they need career options that don't involve university.
So do I. Alas it's hard to filter those out. All I'm saying is, that we can't continue pretending it's all external. But go ahead and propose that we call morons out for what they are and deny them the 'easy' path. I mean, I guess you won't care being called a racist, but incidentially the moment you are called a racist your proposal is worthless and we'll keep putting morons in positions they are not able to fulfill.
At least a few upper-class white women will feel better about themselves, even though they ruined the lives of everyone they pretended to help.
I get you now. I think we largely agree on the problem and why it won't be solved. I'm under no illusions that my ideas are politically feasible. I'm just bringing them up to point out that the solution to this problem would be simple if it weren't for society's unwillingness to face some unpleasant truths.
The fundamental problem is that IQ is largely genetic and that any university program rigorous enough to impart useful skills will have to fail morons in order to retain its value. They'll never be allowed to do that because IQ isn't distributed in a politically correct manner and as you say retards will scream racism if they do.