So people who will spend a year after high school to learn enough about a subject to legitimately meet the requirements to enter university shouldn't be allowed to go to university? There are community college courses that are entirely for that purpose. Their entire purpose is to make students meet university prerequisites. Some universities (MIT) even teach these courses online or during summer break, when regular courses (that require the prerequisites) are not in session.
Not everyone has a good library. Not everyone has a high school that teaches the subject they want to specialize in, and some subjects heavily benefit from having a person who knows it helping. I'd much rather people who are sure they want to learn a subject and will spend the time than someone who takes a university course because they want a degree, without caring about the subject or intending to do it professionally.
You're hitting on a different, but related, problem. That high school is dramatically insufficient to prepare most people for higher education. And this is the case because, again, we have this stupid policy of not "leaving behind" the chronically inadequate.
Public school, and having public-ized the college system, is an invalid paradigm.
No, I've been talking about the same thing this entire time. Some people don't meet the requirements for a university course for whatever reason. As long as they spend the time and effort to legitimately meet the requirements, they should be accepted. I'm not talking about accepting them when they don't meet the standards. I'm talking about accepting them after they've proved they meet the standards.
They're rejected > they take a year to meet the standards > they're accepted the next year after meeting the standards
Don't enroll them if they don't meet the standards. If they do meet the requirements, even if they take a program somewhere else to do it, why the fuck shouldn't they?
even if they take a program somewhere else to do it
Because this is going to be another avenue to not solving the problem. First we're paying for a dozen years of schooling and then the taxpayer is on the hook for student loans funding worthless degrees, and now we're going to invent catch up programs and pay for that too?
The solution is to STOP the gravy train. To cut off colleges from this endless source of funding, and force them to be selective or else die off.
Not to keep finding more and more ways to make it "equal".
I really don't care if someone's highschool sucked, or about any of these "opportunities" lines. I'm tired of paying nearly half of my earnings because the parasite class thinks they're entitled to a free ride at my expense. I'd rather see the entire education system collapse than tack on another "program" to guzzle tax dollars.
As long as they spend the time and effort to legitimately meet the requirements, they should be accepted. I'm not talking about accepting them when they don't meet the standards. I'm talking about accepting them after they've proved they meet the standards.
I realize I've responded to several of your comments (sorry for the notification spam!), but you need to understand that a significant part of the population will never be able to meet those requirements because they don't have mental horsepower to do so. I'm all for allowing anyone who's capable into university programs, even if they show that they're capable in a nontraditional manner. But there are people who will never be able to do that no matter how much they try and they need to be able to make a living as well. Right now the only jobs they can do are minimum wage because corporations are importing an endless supply of third worlders. Fixing that problem would go a long way towards helping without further degrading the quality of a college education.
Library cards?
I don't think you really understand my point here. College should not be for everyone.
The people who deserve to be in higher education are the people who give enough of a fuck to be ready for it.
So people who will spend a year after high school to learn enough about a subject to legitimately meet the requirements to enter university shouldn't be allowed to go to university? There are community college courses that are entirely for that purpose. Their entire purpose is to make students meet university prerequisites. Some universities (MIT) even teach these courses online or during summer break, when regular courses (that require the prerequisites) are not in session.
Not everyone has a good library. Not everyone has a high school that teaches the subject they want to specialize in, and some subjects heavily benefit from having a person who knows it helping. I'd much rather people who are sure they want to learn a subject and will spend the time than someone who takes a university course because they want a degree, without caring about the subject or intending to do it professionally.
You're hitting on a different, but related, problem. That high school is dramatically insufficient to prepare most people for higher education. And this is the case because, again, we have this stupid policy of not "leaving behind" the chronically inadequate.
Public school, and having public-ized the college system, is an invalid paradigm.
No, I've been talking about the same thing this entire time. Some people don't meet the requirements for a university course for whatever reason. As long as they spend the time and effort to legitimately meet the requirements, they should be accepted. I'm not talking about accepting them when they don't meet the standards. I'm talking about accepting them after they've proved they meet the standards.
They're rejected > they take a year to meet the standards > they're accepted the next year after meeting the standards
Don't enroll them if they don't meet the standards. If they do meet the requirements, even if they take a program somewhere else to do it, why the fuck shouldn't they?
Because this is going to be another avenue to not solving the problem. First we're paying for a dozen years of schooling and then the taxpayer is on the hook for student loans funding worthless degrees, and now we're going to invent catch up programs and pay for that too?
The solution is to STOP the gravy train. To cut off colleges from this endless source of funding, and force them to be selective or else die off.
Not to keep finding more and more ways to make it "equal".
I really don't care if someone's highschool sucked, or about any of these "opportunities" lines. I'm tired of paying nearly half of my earnings because the parasite class thinks they're entitled to a free ride at my expense. I'd rather see the entire education system collapse than tack on another "program" to guzzle tax dollars.
I realize I've responded to several of your comments (sorry for the notification spam!), but you need to understand that a significant part of the population will never be able to meet those requirements because they don't have mental horsepower to do so. I'm all for allowing anyone who's capable into university programs, even if they show that they're capable in a nontraditional manner. But there are people who will never be able to do that no matter how much they try and they need to be able to make a living as well. Right now the only jobs they can do are minimum wage because corporations are importing an endless supply of third worlders. Fixing that problem would go a long way towards helping without further degrading the quality of a college education.