Define denial? Would it be mentioning the 12M or whatever non-Jews who were killed as a result of the Holocaust? Would it be arguing it was still a large amount of Jews killed but not the 6M figure we're given? What about comparing the treatment of Jews and the disabled, the Roma, or other ethnic or religious groups?
I wouldn't say there wasn't a Holocaust but "denial" can be anything
The numbers listed here just prompted a thought. Only tangentially related, but I guess it could be related in the sense of "what is holocaust denial's range?".
"Lest we forget" is the mantra, the motto, the refrain, right? But... Even in the most "accept it at face value" case, there's no way it was EXACTLY 6M. Over, under, around, give-or-take, depending-on-your-definitions, it's not going to be EXACTLY that. The reason we know it's 6 million is the Germans made lots of lists. Lists with names. Checklists. Instead of using those, we actively forget and round it off.
So... I can understand being off by a couple dozen in either direction, a few score, maybe a couple hundred due to runaways, or even a couple thousand due to lost paperwork... But why round it to just one significant digit?
It dehumanizes the dead. Coarse, wild rounding is meant for things like "grains of rice" or "beans in a can", not human lives. What is more personable, more impactful? "Six million died", or "Five million, nine hundred eighty seven thousand, nine hundred and thirty seven people"? The lower number, due to its specificity, carries more weight, more humanity within it. Numbers pulled from thin air here, since my whole complaint is we don't USE a proper number.
That could be denial, depending on their legal definitions, complaining of lack of a proper number... But it's just weird that we actively seek to forget by making it simple nice round numbers.
Why don't you actually look for the work that's gone into the research rather than just asserting it doesn't exist if it isn't handed to you?
The best research that historians have done on Auschwitz includes train records, in addition to documentation and work cycles. The estimate seems to be a reliable 1.1 million total dead for the camp. Which, incidentally, is one of the lowest numbers (since holocaust deniers claim the numbers only go up), which is down from the 3-4 million that the Soviets alleged, and the 2 million that the Camp Commandant admitted to.
Doesn't sound so much like a holocaust as it was a country detaining what they considered the enemy until they could deport them to Israel after they won the war. It was a war camp, not a Sandals. It was also a war. Millions upon millions upon millions died.
Why is it then so fucking important and special that like a million Jews died? Who gives a shit and why has this been rammed down everyone's throats endlessly for decades?
This is the pushback. Jews aren't the special people they told themselves they are and their deaths mean as little as any other death. I'm not going to cry for dead Jews when there were just as many dead French, English, American, German, Japanese, etc. by the score. MORE PEOPLE DIED TO TRY AND SAVE THOSE MILLION DEAD SACRED KIKES THAN THEY WOULD HAVE SAVED ANYWAY.
And the Jew continues to attack the white man with their lies and slander and propaganda that never lets up. Evil. Next holocaust won't be made up because if it was an actual holocaust there wouldn't have been so many fucking survivors for the next 80 years to talk about it. Ever think of that, you simple fuck?
Define denial? Would it be mentioning the 12M or whatever non-Jews who were killed as a result of the Holocaust? Would it be arguing it was still a large amount of Jews killed but not the 6M figure we're given? What about comparing the treatment of Jews and the disabled, the Roma, or other ethnic or religious groups?
I wouldn't say there wasn't a Holocaust but "denial" can be anything
The numbers listed here just prompted a thought. Only tangentially related, but I guess it could be related in the sense of "what is holocaust denial's range?".
"Lest we forget" is the mantra, the motto, the refrain, right? But... Even in the most "accept it at face value" case, there's no way it was EXACTLY 6M. Over, under, around, give-or-take, depending-on-your-definitions, it's not going to be EXACTLY that. The reason we know it's 6 million is the Germans made lots of lists. Lists with names. Checklists. Instead of using those, we actively forget and round it off.
So... I can understand being off by a couple dozen in either direction, a few score, maybe a couple hundred due to runaways, or even a couple thousand due to lost paperwork... But why round it to just one significant digit?
It dehumanizes the dead. Coarse, wild rounding is meant for things like "grains of rice" or "beans in a can", not human lives. What is more personable, more impactful? "Six million died", or "Five million, nine hundred eighty seven thousand, nine hundred and thirty seven people"? The lower number, due to its specificity, carries more weight, more humanity within it. Numbers pulled from thin air here, since my whole complaint is we don't USE a proper number.
That could be denial, depending on their legal definitions, complaining of lack of a proper number... But it's just weird that we actively seek to forget by making it simple nice round numbers.
Uh, dude... that's not how "we know there was 6 million".
Find me this tally. Find me these death lists.
That is and always was a crock of shit.
I left Canada, so I'll call it bullshit because it is. Fuck the holohoax, and the Kaballistic spell it cast on my people.
Why don't you actually look for the work that's gone into the research rather than just asserting it doesn't exist if it isn't handed to you?
The best research that historians have done on Auschwitz includes train records, in addition to documentation and work cycles. The estimate seems to be a reliable 1.1 million total dead for the camp. Which, incidentally, is one of the lowest numbers (since holocaust deniers claim the numbers only go up), which is down from the 3-4 million that the Soviets alleged, and the 2 million that the Camp Commandant admitted to.
Doesn't sound so much like a holocaust as it was a country detaining what they considered the enemy until they could deport them to Israel after they won the war. It was a war camp, not a Sandals. It was also a war. Millions upon millions upon millions died.
Why is it then so fucking important and special that like a million Jews died? Who gives a shit and why has this been rammed down everyone's throats endlessly for decades?
This is the pushback. Jews aren't the special people they told themselves they are and their deaths mean as little as any other death. I'm not going to cry for dead Jews when there were just as many dead French, English, American, German, Japanese, etc. by the score. MORE PEOPLE DIED TO TRY AND SAVE THOSE MILLION DEAD SACRED KIKES THAN THEY WOULD HAVE SAVED ANYWAY.
And the Jew continues to attack the white man with their lies and slander and propaganda that never lets up. Evil. Next holocaust won't be made up because if it was an actual holocaust there wouldn't have been so many fucking survivors for the next 80 years to talk about it. Ever think of that, you simple fuck?