The numbers listed here just prompted a thought. Only tangentially related, but I guess it could be related in the sense of "what is holocaust denial's range?".
"Lest we forget" is the mantra, the motto, the refrain, right? But... Even in the most "accept it at face value" case, there's no way it was EXACTLY 6M. Over, under, around, give-or-take, depending-on-your-definitions, it's not going to be EXACTLY that. The reason we know it's 6 million is the Germans made lots of lists. Lists with names. Checklists. Instead of using those, we actively forget and round it off.
So... I can understand being off by a couple dozen in either direction, a few score, maybe a couple hundred due to runaways, or even a couple thousand due to lost paperwork... But why round it to just one significant digit?
It dehumanizes the dead. Coarse, wild rounding is meant for things like "grains of rice" or "beans in a can", not human lives. What is more personable, more impactful? "Six million died", or "Five million, nine hundred eighty seven thousand, nine hundred and thirty seven people"? The lower number, due to its specificity, carries more weight, more humanity within it. Numbers pulled from thin air here, since my whole complaint is we don't USE a proper number.
That could be denial, depending on their legal definitions, complaining of lack of a proper number... But it's just weird that we actively seek to forget by making it simple nice round numbers.
I have seen real, physical evidence of jews referencing the 6 million figure before WW2 even happend when talking about some sort of prophetic Jewish event. Can't recall the details honestly it's so tiresome.
Yeah. And you can use ground penetrating radar at any of those sites and find (surprise!) evidence of dead bodies buried under the ground.
Yet six million bodies disappeared with no evidence whatsoever, no graves ever found minus a small corner grave that any camp would have for the inevitable deaths that would occur.
Where's that big mass holocaust grave site that we can use radar to conclusively prove the Holocaust happened? Oh, right...
You don't need ground penetrating radar, the Allies marked and categorized all the mass graves as they dug out the camps. Watch "Night And Fog", almost all the footage is original recorded US Army footage or Soviet Footage from the camps themselves. The US Army footage records having to unbury the mass graves made by the Germans, then digging new mass graves to place them in layers of 500-1000 at a time.
Hell, the ash had it's own depository locations as well.
All of the camps had large mass graves. The Extermination camps, the Work camps, even the ghettos. Not to mention, that the early execution squads have all of their own mass graves as well. These are typically dug up, counted, categorized, and labeled by the host country as they are discovered. IIRC I think there's over 30 mass graves attributed to the Holocaust in Romania alone.
You really don't know anything about the Holocaust. You don't seem to know that it wasn't just the extermination camps. And you don't seem to know how prevalent the mass graves are all around Europe and all the camps.
Why don't you actually look for the work that's gone into the research rather than just asserting it doesn't exist if it isn't handed to you?
The best research that historians have done on Auschwitz includes train records, in addition to documentation and work cycles. The estimate seems to be a reliable 1.1 million total dead for the camp. Which, incidentally, is one of the lowest numbers (since holocaust deniers claim the numbers only go up), which is down from the 3-4 million that the Soviets alleged, and the 2 million that the Camp Commandant admitted to.
Doesn't sound so much like a holocaust as it was a country detaining what they considered the enemy until they could deport them to Israel after they won the war. It was a war camp, not a Sandals. It was also a war. Millions upon millions upon millions died.
Why is it then so fucking important and special that like a million Jews died? Who gives a shit and why has this been rammed down everyone's throats endlessly for decades?
This is the pushback. Jews aren't the special people they told themselves they are and their deaths mean as little as any other death. I'm not going to cry for dead Jews when there were just as many dead French, English, American, German, Japanese, etc. by the score. MORE PEOPLE DIED TO TRY AND SAVE THOSE MILLION DEAD SACRED KIKES THAN THEY WOULD HAVE SAVED ANYWAY.
And the Jew continues to attack the white man with their lies and slander and propaganda that never lets up. Evil. Next holocaust won't be made up because if it was an actual holocaust there wouldn't have been so many fucking survivors for the next 80 years to talk about it. Ever think of that, you simple fuck?
Doesn't sound so much like a holocaust as it was a country detaining what they considered the enemy until they could deport them to Israel after they won the war.
The sheer level of stupidity in this comment is amazing. This is as bad as the last guy who thought everyone who died in the Holocaust died at Auschwitz.
Israel didn't exist yet.
No Nazi documentation exists suggesting that they had any intention of simply moving all jews out of Germany, and certainly less than none exists of them accepting the creation of a Jewish state in British Palestine.
Next holocaust won't be made up because if it was an actual holocaust there wouldn't have been so many fucking survivors for the next 80 years to talk about it. Ever think of that, you simple fuck?
Yes, it's actually in the Wansee Conference notes. The industrial mechanism for Europe wide extermination of Jews was supposed to be able to exterminate closer to 24 million by 1945-1946. Luckily, they were only stopped at 6 for jews. Poland was the most heavily effected, and their jewish population was reduced by over 80% (around 3-3.5 million), leaving old jewish neighborhoods and communities effectively empty after jews had been ghettoized.
Those jews that did survive the war found in many cases all their property had long since been re-appropriated and handed over to ethnic Germans that were moved into their homes and communities. You might call it "Demographic Replacement". This lead to retaliatory violence across Europe by Jews, Checks, Slavs, Poles, and other European populations making reprisal attacks on ethnic Germans who had been moved into their repossessed lands, killing at least 100,000.
Shall I reverse the question onto you and ask you "if it was an ethnic cleansing of Germans, why are there so many ethnic Germans still in Poland?"
No, that would be incredibly ignorant, and I actually care about history so you aren't allowed to repeat it.
We're talking about literal millions of dead scattered across Europe. You can't get that specific of a number. You can't get that specific number of the amount of American servicemen killed in WW2.
The Germans didn't keep that many lists and weren't that level of autistic and detail, and they certainly didn't keep lists when they were just sending people to shoot 30-40 at a time.
This is the whole reason most calculations are kept to only a few significant digits, normally 3. Specification of 6 or 7 digits is nearly impossible along with error propagation, even when you're trying to be very careful about the numbers you're counting.
What we an assert is a range. Clearly under 15 (based on how you define what constitutes as an act within the Holocaust).
So they were so efficient they could build entire infrastructure in secret without documentation to eradicate 6 million Jews during wartime, but they were also sloppy and we can't trust their paperwork even though their efficiency is a literal national stereotype and a notable trait of the Third Reich's operations in general.
But we keep talking as if the Holohoax was real, which there would be a lot of evidence outside of "eyewitness accounts" (lotsa eye witnesses left.dor a HOLOCAUST, don't you think?) were it real. Which it wasn't. So fuck your law against speaking the truth about the holohoax.
You want the names and finger prints of each and every individual that was ever arrested, that's not going to happen because that's not how a bureaucracy works or maintains itself. That's called the concept of "resolution". You being ignorant is not a refutation of reality.
Then, of course, is the intentional destruction of documentation, and the intentional effort to keep most of executions relatively quiet and classified.
There is a lot of evidence outside of eyewitness accounts, including mass graves. You Socialists are all the fucking same. You are fundamentally ignorant of literally every aspect of the Holocaust. It's why I've actually had to explain to you morons before that there were 34 registered mass grave sites related to the Holocaust in just one Eastern European state. And why I had to explain that not all 6 million Jews were killed in Auschwitz. You literally don't know anything about it, because you don't care. You want to eradicate the bourgeoisie, you know it happened, you're glad it did, you'd do it again, you're just lying because you're hoping to attract a few useful idiots like a Tankie saying that Katyn was a Nazi atrocity.
The numbers listed here just prompted a thought. Only tangentially related, but I guess it could be related in the sense of "what is holocaust denial's range?".
"Lest we forget" is the mantra, the motto, the refrain, right? But... Even in the most "accept it at face value" case, there's no way it was EXACTLY 6M. Over, under, around, give-or-take, depending-on-your-definitions, it's not going to be EXACTLY that. The reason we know it's 6 million is the Germans made lots of lists. Lists with names. Checklists. Instead of using those, we actively forget and round it off.
So... I can understand being off by a couple dozen in either direction, a few score, maybe a couple hundred due to runaways, or even a couple thousand due to lost paperwork... But why round it to just one significant digit?
It dehumanizes the dead. Coarse, wild rounding is meant for things like "grains of rice" or "beans in a can", not human lives. What is more personable, more impactful? "Six million died", or "Five million, nine hundred eighty seven thousand, nine hundred and thirty seven people"? The lower number, due to its specificity, carries more weight, more humanity within it. Numbers pulled from thin air here, since my whole complaint is we don't USE a proper number.
That could be denial, depending on their legal definitions, complaining of lack of a proper number... But it's just weird that we actively seek to forget by making it simple nice round numbers.
I've seen no evidence of 6 million.
I have seen real, physical evidence of jews referencing the 6 million figure before WW2 even happend when talking about some sort of prophetic Jewish event. Can't recall the details honestly it's so tiresome.
Have you tried going to Europe and seeing any of their mass graves?
I mean from any war. Europe's covered in them.
yes, which is exactly why i don't give a single fuck about the jews.
Yeah. And you can use ground penetrating radar at any of those sites and find (surprise!) evidence of dead bodies buried under the ground.
Yet six million bodies disappeared with no evidence whatsoever, no graves ever found minus a small corner grave that any camp would have for the inevitable deaths that would occur.
Where's that big mass holocaust grave site that we can use radar to conclusively prove the Holocaust happened? Oh, right...
You don't need ground penetrating radar, the Allies marked and categorized all the mass graves as they dug out the camps. Watch "Night And Fog", almost all the footage is original recorded US Army footage or Soviet Footage from the camps themselves. The US Army footage records having to unbury the mass graves made by the Germans, then digging new mass graves to place them in layers of 500-1000 at a time.
Hell, the ash had it's own depository locations as well.
All of the camps had large mass graves. The Extermination camps, the Work camps, even the ghettos. Not to mention, that the early execution squads have all of their own mass graves as well. These are typically dug up, counted, categorized, and labeled by the host country as they are discovered. IIRC I think there's over 30 mass graves attributed to the Holocaust in Romania alone.
You really don't know anything about the Holocaust. You don't seem to know that it wasn't just the extermination camps. And you don't seem to know how prevalent the mass graves are all around Europe and all the camps.
Uh, dude... that's not how "we know there was 6 million".
Find me this tally. Find me these death lists.
That is and always was a crock of shit.
I left Canada, so I'll call it bullshit because it is. Fuck the holohoax, and the Kaballistic spell it cast on my people.
Why don't you actually look for the work that's gone into the research rather than just asserting it doesn't exist if it isn't handed to you?
The best research that historians have done on Auschwitz includes train records, in addition to documentation and work cycles. The estimate seems to be a reliable 1.1 million total dead for the camp. Which, incidentally, is one of the lowest numbers (since holocaust deniers claim the numbers only go up), which is down from the 3-4 million that the Soviets alleged, and the 2 million that the Camp Commandant admitted to.
Doesn't sound so much like a holocaust as it was a country detaining what they considered the enemy until they could deport them to Israel after they won the war. It was a war camp, not a Sandals. It was also a war. Millions upon millions upon millions died.
Why is it then so fucking important and special that like a million Jews died? Who gives a shit and why has this been rammed down everyone's throats endlessly for decades?
This is the pushback. Jews aren't the special people they told themselves they are and their deaths mean as little as any other death. I'm not going to cry for dead Jews when there were just as many dead French, English, American, German, Japanese, etc. by the score. MORE PEOPLE DIED TO TRY AND SAVE THOSE MILLION DEAD SACRED KIKES THAN THEY WOULD HAVE SAVED ANYWAY.
And the Jew continues to attack the white man with their lies and slander and propaganda that never lets up. Evil. Next holocaust won't be made up because if it was an actual holocaust there wouldn't have been so many fucking survivors for the next 80 years to talk about it. Ever think of that, you simple fuck?
The sheer level of stupidity in this comment is amazing. This is as bad as the last guy who thought everyone who died in the Holocaust died at Auschwitz.
Israel didn't exist yet.
No Nazi documentation exists suggesting that they had any intention of simply moving all jews out of Germany, and certainly less than none exists of them accepting the creation of a Jewish state in British Palestine.
Yes, it's actually in the Wansee Conference notes. The industrial mechanism for Europe wide extermination of Jews was supposed to be able to exterminate closer to 24 million by 1945-1946. Luckily, they were only stopped at 6 for jews. Poland was the most heavily effected, and their jewish population was reduced by over 80% (around 3-3.5 million), leaving old jewish neighborhoods and communities effectively empty after jews had been ghettoized.
Those jews that did survive the war found in many cases all their property had long since been re-appropriated and handed over to ethnic Germans that were moved into their homes and communities. You might call it "Demographic Replacement". This lead to retaliatory violence across Europe by Jews, Checks, Slavs, Poles, and other European populations making reprisal attacks on ethnic Germans who had been moved into their repossessed lands, killing at least 100,000.
Shall I reverse the question onto you and ask you "if it was an ethnic cleansing of Germans, why are there so many ethnic Germans still in Poland?"
No, that would be incredibly ignorant, and I actually care about history so you aren't allowed to repeat it.
We're talking about literal millions of dead scattered across Europe. You can't get that specific of a number. You can't get that specific number of the amount of American servicemen killed in WW2.
The Germans didn't keep that many lists and weren't that level of autistic and detail, and they certainly didn't keep lists when they were just sending people to shoot 30-40 at a time.
This is the whole reason most calculations are kept to only a few significant digits, normally 3. Specification of 6 or 7 digits is nearly impossible along with error propagation, even when you're trying to be very careful about the numbers you're counting.
What we an assert is a range. Clearly under 15 (based on how you define what constitutes as an act within the Holocaust).
So they were so efficient they could build entire infrastructure in secret without documentation to eradicate 6 million Jews during wartime, but they were also sloppy and we can't trust their paperwork even though their efficiency is a literal national stereotype and a notable trait of the Third Reich's operations in general.
But we keep talking as if the Holohoax was real, which there would be a lot of evidence outside of "eyewitness accounts" (lotsa eye witnesses left.dor a HOLOCAUST, don't you think?) were it real. Which it wasn't. So fuck your law against speaking the truth about the holohoax.
No one said without documentation.
No one said that they were sloppy.
You want the names and finger prints of each and every individual that was ever arrested, that's not going to happen because that's not how a bureaucracy works or maintains itself. That's called the concept of "resolution". You being ignorant is not a refutation of reality.
Then, of course, is the intentional destruction of documentation, and the intentional effort to keep most of executions relatively quiet and classified.
There is a lot of evidence outside of eyewitness accounts, including mass graves. You Socialists are all the fucking same. You are fundamentally ignorant of literally every aspect of the Holocaust. It's why I've actually had to explain to you morons before that there were 34 registered mass grave sites related to the Holocaust in just one Eastern European state. And why I had to explain that not all 6 million Jews were killed in Auschwitz. You literally don't know anything about it, because you don't care. You want to eradicate the bourgeoisie, you know it happened, you're glad it did, you'd do it again, you're just lying because you're hoping to attract a few useful idiots like a Tankie saying that Katyn was a Nazi atrocity.
So no proof is proof. Got it. Also, shut up you fucking kike.