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Judaism subreddit discussed their hatred for the term "judeo-christian" because it associates Jews with Christianity and Christian "islamophobia" (archive.md)
posted 4 years ago by loubag1997 4 years ago by loubag1997 +46 / -0
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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

So, Karl Marx, which was a christian, with Jewish ancestry is a Jew, but Jesus who is of Jewish ancestry is not Jewish.

WTF?!

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– Mystiker 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Did you have a stroke? I never claimed Jesus wasn't a Jew, I claimed he didn't follow Judaism.

Your argument was that "Karl Marx didn't follow Judaism, so he doesn't count". But Jesus also didn't follow Judaism, so according to your logic Jesus also doesn't count.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Jesus did follow Judaism.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/first/wrestling.html

Some history of your religion. When it was created, and how Christians behaved.

Enjoy knowing that without judaism, your darling would never exist.

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– Mystiker 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Okay, let's read that link...

So it discusses the Jews murdering innocent Romans and starting a Roman-Jew war which ultimately led to the destruction of Judea and the creation of Syria-Palestine. Off to a good start so far.

It also mentions how the Jews tried to force the Christians to fight on their side, but the Christians said, "no we already have Jesus as our Messiah, we don't want Bar Kochba as our Messiah". Which means at that time Jews and Christians were already fully separated.

But it is also clear that at a certain point, they develop a consciousness which takes them outside of the social orb of Judaism. They're no longer part of the local Jewish community, they're a separate community, meeting in little household groups, all over the city. And, it's apparent, at least from the time of the Emperor Nero, that outsiders also view them as distinct.

So the article states that Christians and Jews were different separate communities, and everybody (including the Romans) viewed them as being separate.

Yet, on the other hand, we can see even in Paul's letters, which are the earliest literature we have from the early Christians, that the social separation in the communities he founded has already taken place. They're not meeting with the Jews. They're meeting in various households.

So by the time of Paul, Christians and Jews were already separated.

In the Gospel of John, the Fourth Gospel, you have some of the most vehement statements against the Jews. [This is] very strange because all of the characters in the Fourth Gospel are Jewish. It seems to be an intra-Jewish dialogue going on, but it's obviously a very vehement dialogue, a very polemical dialogue, and clearly represents... [that] somewhere there has been a very painful separation of one group of Jews who followed the Messiah, Jesus, from other Jews, and there is great hostility as a result and tremendous feelings of persecution, which are enshrined in this piece of literature.

So once again, the article confirms that Jews and Christians are separate, that Christians worship Jesus and the Jews absolutely despise Jesus. So when are we going to get to the part where the article proves you right?

And, in his writings, Ignatius uses the word Christianity, and he uses it ... in contrast with the word Judaism. We have here for the first time a polarity, a contrast. There is something called Judaism and there is something called Christianity, and true Christians will make sure that what they believe and what they do, is in fact Christianity and it's not Judaism. That is explicit and unambiguous for the very first time in the writings of Ignatius around the year 110 or 120 B.C....

Oh, so an extremely early and famous Christian made it crystal clear that Christianity is different from Judaism. Okay.

One of the awful aftermaths of the first war with Rome was that Jews and Christians - or the followers of Jesus or the Jesus movement, as you might call it - took different directions.

Most of the gospel and traditions of early Christianity were written down after the first war, and they reflect a period of theological disagreement.

Got it, so Christianity and Judaism are fundamentally incompatible. Thanks for the link, I will save it so I can show it to other people.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I find it fascinating how you cherry pick parts that says that Christianity is a bit different from Judaism, and ignores everything else. Especially the part that Christianity was even considered a sect of Judaism, including even Christians going to worship in synagogues.

Forgetting even the symbolisms that Christianity carries, like those bishop hats... Have you noticed that they look very similar to something?

Take the 10 commandments out of your bible also.

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