Since I am a glutton for punishment I check the Song of Ice and Fire about once or twice a year now (used to be on it a lot more when I still believed GRRM would finish the books) and I came across a post by some angry feminist attacking Song of Ice and Fire books for violence against women and the usual evil white male dominated spaces garbage that we have all heard a million times. I asked her if she had skipped over all the violence and brutality against men in the books and also if she is so bothered by white males, then maybe she shouldn't be reading their books or better yet stop going into "male spaces" if you are just going to whine about everything not being sufficiently feminist for you.
To my surprise she responded and told me about how I was drenched in white supremacy and sexism. I asked her if she wanted to have a discussion or continue with her talking points. Long story short I basically told her that after sci-fi/fantasy my favorite genre to read is murder mystery/crime drama and there are plenty of female authors. Also, the problem people have is people who don't like the genre that invade the spaces only to ruin it.
She never responded after that but I have always wanted to ask these people why they don't just read books written by women. Reminds me of a time when I used to still go on the Sci-Fi channel website and this lady wrote an article about fantasy novels and of course bashed Tolkein, GRRM, and Robert Jordan for being white males while promoting some garbage that had recently won the hugos (or some award, but winning a literature award in these times doesn't mean anything to me).
in my experience if you approach nerds and actually like the IP, then you will be welcomed. I also love when women whine about how they weren't welcome at a comic book store. I remember my friends and I loved it the rare times we met women who were into that stuff. Wheel of Time is the latest example of butchering an IP and I am honestly surprised since it was already very female centric.
They don't read SFF books written by women, because of the two most notable female SFF authors of the last half century, one was a prolific child rapist and the other was her best friend.
Which ones? I'm sure I heard of them, but didn't know that. Also, I know N.K. Jemison won three Hugos in a row and if that isn't proof of how far the Hugos have fallen I don't know what is. She can't shut up about race and from the summaries of her books it looks like they are all thinly veiled narratives about race/oppression. Hard to believe she won three in a row while Asimov, Heinlein, or Clarke didn't.
Bradley and Lackey, respectively.
That isn't hard to believe. It is absolutely in keeping with cultural Marxism to elevate a hideous, illiterate she beast like her above actual writers.
Are you sure it's not MZ Bradley and Lackey? Because all I'm finding is MZ. Trust me, I fucking hate Lackey because her shit is sub-par and being famous while sub-par burns my ass. Yes, I am bitter and an author, not famous and par. I admit it.
Yes it's Bradley and Lackey, my bad.
Where can I find your books?
Only one is online, a short story, and it's on Amazon. Most of my works were lost in a fire 20 years ago. Been a long fucking time since I finished anything original.
Fannish shit, I'll never tell.
Gotcha. I got a story on Amazon as well.
Maybe one day, my shorty will be joined by something longer again. In the mean time, the war with writer's block and depression continues! Fight on, men!
Where you put Andre Norton then?
Edit: and Lois McMaster Bujold.
Should have responded right then and there "better than period blood like some maniac feminist, screaming in the public square about false rape and violence statistics that ignore the greater problems of society to lay blame solely at white men."
Probably would’ve made her head explode to say that.
Good, then it works.
All due respect to one of the finest contributors here, but why the continued confusion regarding the behavior of leftists? Feminists don't simply avoid "problematic" media because a feminist's goal is not the same as yours. He/she isn't trying to have a good time consuming media. He/she is trying to spread feminism. These people want to either subvert the things you enjoy or, failing that, destroy those things. Whatever they actually say in pursuit of these goals is meaningless. It's all disingenuous word games.
Always skip to the end: ask them what would satisfy them? In this case, is it a literature industry that is completely sanitized according to the standards of feminism? Should no book that offends her exist? Make her fucking say it. Make her write and then see the inevitable consequences of her ideas. She'll almost definitely short circuit and call you a racist at that point, but that's not a victory for her.
I totally agree with you but I’ve always wanted to ask them to stop reading stuff written by males since the are so upset
Asking a feminist to stop reading male authors so she can stop criticizing the content is like asking the FBI to stop investigating crimes so they can stop prosecuting people.
Feminists see you as their enemy so they purposely do things to attack you. They don't want you to have a safe space or have any content to enjoy. They want to destroy you. The only proper response to feminism is to destroy it instead.
Ah, that's your problem there
True, I foolishly thought I could make her see some reason.