That reminds me, I never did get to see the last season of it, and I haven't seen hide nor hair of that show since its original airing. It was one of the few shows of the 90s I could catch every week.
I'd say The Mentalist is worth watching. The main character is a white man and is actually portrayed as being intelligent and capable and not made to be a buffoon by the women in the show, which is refreshing. Of the five main characters, four of them are law enforcement and two of those are women, which I'm sure is fairly unrealistic, but at least they aren't portrayed as being consistently superior to the men. I'd rate the wokeness as low, outside that specific demographic issue. The average episode is good and the long-term plot and mystery of the show is resolved pretty competently.
I don't remember Battlestar Galactica as being particularly woke, but it's been a long time since I saw it, and at the very least it has the same sorts of demographic issues where about half the military personnel are women as if that's somehow remotely realistic. Starbuck in particular was a man in the original show (which I have not watched) and got changed to a woman in the remake. The average episode is okay I guess, and some of them are actually quite good, though the quality is definitely inconsistent and there are times when they ran out of money for the season or something and have lengthy segments dealing with someone's marital problems or some trivial stuff I don't care about. It's also a show which is very focused on some particular mysterious stuff, and most of that stuff is not resolved in a satisfying way whatsoever. The writers clearly had a bunch of inexplicable stuff happen to keep viewer interest without having a plan on how to resolve it, then at the end they kind of threw up their hands and gave up.
If you want totally unwoke stuff, try going back further. Off the top of my head, The Prisoner (1967) is well regarded, extremely unique and somewhat surreal; Danger Man is worth trying, and I liked The Sandbaggers. Apparently I like old spy stuff.
Speaking of The Mentalist, I thoroughly enjoyed Lie To Me, which has a somewhat similar premise. It was retarded if you thought about it even a little bit, basically all the bad guy in every episode had to do was shut the fuck up and the evidence uncovered by the main character would have been inadmissible in court, but if you suspended your disbelief the show was really entertaining. Tim Roth was knocking it out of the park, the character he portrayed reminded me of his role in Four Rooms. There were some scenes that one could interpret as "muh grrl pwwr" if you're cynical enough - I watched that show before The Wokening so I wasn't too sensitive about it - but as far as I remember they were always done in a believable way.
Also, House MD. It turned to utter shit around I think season 6 or 7, but then the final season (or maybe final 2 seasons? It's been a while) fixed it again and they were possibly the best of the series. Same as with Lie to Me, there were some scenes where women got the upper hand and put the protagonist "in his place", but both protagonists needed that once in a while.
The Prisoner I've always heard was super progressive for it's time
Maybe so, but not in a "Men are dumb, whites are evil" sort of way, but more by questioning whether our government in general and intelligence agencies in particular really have our best interests at heart, and suggesting that the intelligence agencies of the west are at least potentially as amoral as the KGB. I don't think either of those points are really left wing values any more.
It's because we've come so far down the slippery slope, I almost wouldn't expect anyone under 30 to recognize the top of it, as represented in The Twilight Zone. Especially considering that the public (or, at least, broadcasters' perception of public wants and tastes) kept the hippie stuff on the down low in the late 50s and early 60s. But yeah, it's harder to notice than in, say, the Nornam Lear fare of the 70s, or even Bewitched, or the various shows that normalized divorce.
Ah, thanks for letting me know. I don't know why they can't make a good, consistent, full on ocean based/submarine series. Not that I mind straight sci fi, I love it, but a good deep ocean show is rare. :D I'll still watch though, sounds fun.
In the third season, aired in '95, the captain points out he has a book autographed by President Collen Powell. Not woke just interesting considering the time it aired.
I don't watch TV. I have a ton of things/work I do during the day, and I read a lot. But if I choose to watch an episode of something before bed, I'd like it to be worthwhile. :D
The "Roslin/Airlock '08" meme which was popular at the time was deeply reactionary, which is ironic because most of the people for whom it was popular would call you a nazi for posting here.
Cool, never heard of it, but will check it out! Any show worth rewatching sounds great. 👍🏻
That reminds me, I never did get to see the last season of it, and I haven't seen hide nor hair of that show since its original airing. It was one of the few shows of the 90s I could catch every week.
Oh boy, that sounds fantastic! Adding it to my list. 👍🏻
I'd say The Mentalist is worth watching. The main character is a white man and is actually portrayed as being intelligent and capable and not made to be a buffoon by the women in the show, which is refreshing. Of the five main characters, four of them are law enforcement and two of those are women, which I'm sure is fairly unrealistic, but at least they aren't portrayed as being consistently superior to the men. I'd rate the wokeness as low, outside that specific demographic issue. The average episode is good and the long-term plot and mystery of the show is resolved pretty competently.
I don't remember Battlestar Galactica as being particularly woke, but it's been a long time since I saw it, and at the very least it has the same sorts of demographic issues where about half the military personnel are women as if that's somehow remotely realistic. Starbuck in particular was a man in the original show (which I have not watched) and got changed to a woman in the remake. The average episode is okay I guess, and some of them are actually quite good, though the quality is definitely inconsistent and there are times when they ran out of money for the season or something and have lengthy segments dealing with someone's marital problems or some trivial stuff I don't care about. It's also a show which is very focused on some particular mysterious stuff, and most of that stuff is not resolved in a satisfying way whatsoever. The writers clearly had a bunch of inexplicable stuff happen to keep viewer interest without having a plan on how to resolve it, then at the end they kind of threw up their hands and gave up.
If you want totally unwoke stuff, try going back further. Off the top of my head, The Prisoner (1967) is well regarded, extremely unique and somewhat surreal; Danger Man is worth trying, and I liked The Sandbaggers. Apparently I like old spy stuff.
I'm sure you've seen it, but the Avengers series absolutely deserves its fantastic reputation.
I second that. John Steed and Emma Peel. I was really confused when they attached that name to capeshit stuff.
Speaking of The Mentalist, I thoroughly enjoyed Lie To Me, which has a somewhat similar premise. It was retarded if you thought about it even a little bit, basically all the bad guy in every episode had to do was shut the fuck up and the evidence uncovered by the main character would have been inadmissible in court, but if you suspended your disbelief the show was really entertaining. Tim Roth was knocking it out of the park, the character he portrayed reminded me of his role in Four Rooms. There were some scenes that one could interpret as "muh grrl pwwr" if you're cynical enough - I watched that show before The Wokening so I wasn't too sensitive about it - but as far as I remember they were always done in a believable way.
Also, House MD. It turned to utter shit around I think season 6 or 7, but then the final season (or maybe final 2 seasons? It's been a while) fixed it again and they were possibly the best of the series. Same as with Lie to Me, there were some scenes where women got the upper hand and put the protagonist "in his place", but both protagonists needed that once in a while.
Maybe so, but not in a "Men are dumb, whites are evil" sort of way, but more by questioning whether our government in general and intelligence agencies in particular really have our best interests at heart, and suggesting that the intelligence agencies of the west are at least potentially as amoral as the KGB. I don't think either of those points are really left wing values any more.
That window shift in action.
It's because we've come so far down the slippery slope, I almost wouldn't expect anyone under 30 to recognize the top of it, as represented in The Twilight Zone. Especially considering that the public (or, at least, broadcasters' perception of public wants and tastes) kept the hippie stuff on the down low in the late 50s and early 60s. But yeah, it's harder to notice than in, say, the Nornam Lear fare of the 70s, or even Bewitched, or the various shows that normalized divorce.
Ah, thanks for letting me know. I don't know why they can't make a good, consistent, full on ocean based/submarine series. Not that I mind straight sci fi, I love it, but a good deep ocean show is rare. :D I'll still watch though, sounds fun.
In the third season, aired in '95, the captain points out he has a book autographed by President Collen Powell. Not woke just interesting considering the time it aired.
Very true. 👍🏻
Fringe and 12 Monkeys (the series); at least they were allowed to tell their stories.
Fringe fucking ruled.
You should stop watching TV.
I don't watch TV. I have a ton of things/work I do during the day, and I read a lot. But if I choose to watch an episode of something before bed, I'd like it to be worthwhile. :D
Miami Vice, it's kinda old but it's really good.
Thank you, I love old shows! They are my favorites, actually. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UmOY6ek_Y4
Rome.
I liked BSG but only saw it during its initial run. Probably deserves a rewatch though.
Thanks!
The "Roslin/Airlock '08" meme which was popular at the time was deeply reactionary, which is ironic because most of the people for whom it was popular would call you a nazi for posting here.
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Thanks!