Time to go Animal Farm on the left. Secession is for babies and daydreamers. I fucking want it all, from sea to shining sea. They can have the sea. Or eat lead, their choice.
Deus Vult? Thy will be done. I enjoy a downhill ride. There isn’t enough space as it is, and a return to agrarian culture and economy would be an overall improvement. If its going to burn down regardless, then buy matches. Their kind wont be welcome there, or needed or even capable of contributing to the reconstruction.
Do you know what the reality of "agrarian culture and economy" looks like today?
It's a neo-baron sitting fifteen feet in the air on a bigass harvester that weighs as much as a locomotive and costs about a million dollars. It drives itself and he's just there to sip coffee and listen to the talk radio, and push the brake if a deer gets in the way (or maybe not; corn heads can handle ingesting smallish animals).
Hundred years ago a farmstead was measured in acres. Nowadays it's in square miles. Typical farmer today can work a knight's fee worth of land with just a couple helpers with CDL's to drive the grain trucks.
I know there are whole TOWNSHIPS worth of land (essentially, baronies) under single ownership out in Nebraska. At that scale, it isn't even about the grain, they're usually feeding pigs or chickens.
I do, I was raised in it. Corporate farming will surely cease in a collapse scenario. Without a means of distribution or consumption at scale to support infrastructure they would be among the first to go. Not to mention so easily overthrown in a violent uprising. High production monocropping is of no value in an actual agrarian society. I would expect fallow fields for a few years, followed by a cooperative structure to steward the abandoned properties, subdivided back into thriving family farms by the 5 year mark.
That's the optimistic position. The realistic one is to make Rwanda look like an afternoon in the park, because there's no way to split, and even if there were, they'll never let us leave.
I think people who think like you do get too hung up on the performative, de jure aspects of governance, rather than focusing on the de facto reality on the ground.
You haven't spent enough time out in the corn.
The previous nullification battle was marijuana. It is now the case that, in many states, the federal government has been shown to be completely toothless. The laws are still on the books, but you can go buy an ounce openly, on a credit card even.
The next hurdle will be firearms. I believe in the next ten years the reality on the ground will diverge radically from BATF rules. In 2040, there will be states where you'll be able to procure suppressors, SBRs, and open bolt full autos openly. The laws will still be on the books, but local law enforcement cooperation will be zero in the red states.
Assuming Washington hasn't already given up the ghost at that point and admitted that the country as a whole has become ungovernable.
The laws are still on the books, but you can go buy an ounce openly, on a credit card even.
The next hurdle will be firearms. I believe in the next ten years the reality on the ground will diverge radically from BATF rules. In 2040, there will be states where you'll be able to procure suppressors, SBRs, and open bolt full autos openly. The laws will still be on the books, but local law enforcement cooperation will be zero in the red states.
You've not been paying close attention, then. The credit card companies' resistance to weed was practical, not ideological. Once the law had been sufficiently ignored, they cashed in.
Firearms and ammunition, legal to purchase and own, are being actively blocked by credit card companies. They're actively attempting to make firearms de facto illegal, even if de jure they're still legal.
A lawless society is dangerous and we need laws to remain civilized. The GOP can aid this battle. Remember to volunteer and vote for your local Republican candidate.
It may not be a realistic end goal but it is the correct sentiment to hold. This is yet our country, it's worth fighting for and immediately capitulating to a stance of compromise will prevent the gathering of strength needed to even stake out a position from which a compromise can be brokered, rather than simply being obliterated.
If things were to play out such that there was a war I'd love to say I'd enlist on the Constitutionalist side to fight against the communists, but man after I join I'd worry about what parts end up splitting which way because the side with the funding and ability to make or get more equipment will have a serious advantage.
Have you looked at a map? It would be a full court press going west. Money doesn’t matter when you’re backed against the ocean and everything is on fire.
Time to go Animal Farm on the left. Secession is for babies and daydreamers. I fucking want it all, from sea to shining sea. They can have the sea. Or eat lead, their choice.
Well, that's not a realistic option.
Nullification leading to partition is the normal end of empires.
Deus Vult? Thy will be done. I enjoy a downhill ride. There isn’t enough space as it is, and a return to agrarian culture and economy would be an overall improvement. If its going to burn down regardless, then buy matches. Their kind wont be welcome there, or needed or even capable of contributing to the reconstruction.
That's not going to happen.
Do you know what the reality of "agrarian culture and economy" looks like today?
It's a neo-baron sitting fifteen feet in the air on a bigass harvester that weighs as much as a locomotive and costs about a million dollars. It drives itself and he's just there to sip coffee and listen to the talk radio, and push the brake if a deer gets in the way (or maybe not; corn heads can handle ingesting smallish animals).
Hundred years ago a farmstead was measured in acres. Nowadays it's in square miles. Typical farmer today can work a knight's fee worth of land with just a couple helpers with CDL's to drive the grain trucks.
I know there are whole TOWNSHIPS worth of land (essentially, baronies) under single ownership out in Nebraska. At that scale, it isn't even about the grain, they're usually feeding pigs or chickens.
I do, I was raised in it. Corporate farming will surely cease in a collapse scenario. Without a means of distribution or consumption at scale to support infrastructure they would be among the first to go. Not to mention so easily overthrown in a violent uprising. High production monocropping is of no value in an actual agrarian society. I would expect fallow fields for a few years, followed by a cooperative structure to steward the abandoned properties, subdivided back into thriving family farms by the 5 year mark.
That's the optimistic position. The realistic one is to make Rwanda look like an afternoon in the park, because there's no way to split, and even if there were, they'll never let us leave.
I think people who think like you do get too hung up on the performative, de jure aspects of governance, rather than focusing on the de facto reality on the ground.
You haven't spent enough time out in the corn.
The previous nullification battle was marijuana. It is now the case that, in many states, the federal government has been shown to be completely toothless. The laws are still on the books, but you can go buy an ounce openly, on a credit card even.
The next hurdle will be firearms. I believe in the next ten years the reality on the ground will diverge radically from BATF rules. In 2040, there will be states where you'll be able to procure suppressors, SBRs, and open bolt full autos openly. The laws will still be on the books, but local law enforcement cooperation will be zero in the red states.
Assuming Washington hasn't already given up the ghost at that point and admitted that the country as a whole has become ungovernable.
You've not been paying close attention, then. The credit card companies' resistance to weed was practical, not ideological. Once the law had been sufficiently ignored, they cashed in.
Firearms and ammunition, legal to purchase and own, are being actively blocked by credit card companies. They're actively attempting to make firearms de facto illegal, even if de jure they're still legal.
They are not and will not be allies.
A lawless society is dangerous and we need laws to remain civilized. The GOP can aid this battle. Remember to volunteer and vote for your local Republican candidate.
It may not be a realistic end goal but it is the correct sentiment to hold. This is yet our country, it's worth fighting for and immediately capitulating to a stance of compromise will prevent the gathering of strength needed to even stake out a position from which a compromise can be brokered, rather than simply being obliterated.
If things were to play out such that there was a war I'd love to say I'd enlist on the Constitutionalist side to fight against the communists, but man after I join I'd worry about what parts end up splitting which way because the side with the funding and ability to make or get more equipment will have a serious advantage.
Have you looked at a map? It would be a full court press going west. Money doesn’t matter when you’re backed against the ocean and everything is on fire.