He claims to be an "expert" in totalitarian states but somehow failed to not see this coming?
Imagine if he said back in June what would have been a reasonable and balanced "centrist" position even then: "If you're in an at risk group you probably should get vaccinated because the risk of serious side effects is lower than the risk of serious illness, but I find it very strange the way nations and the media around the globe have been making an unprecedented nonstop push to get everyone in the world vaccinated. And because we've never done this before at this scale we don't really know the ramifications of doing so are. So because we're in uncharted territory I would urge everyone to use extra caution when making their own personal decisions here, and don't assume any particular person telling you what you should do has you and your family's best interests in mind because only you know that."
Instead it was "get the damned vaccine so we can get this over with".
That would have been the perfect thing to say. Also back then there had already been plenty of evidence that vaccinated people spread the disease just as much as unvaccinated making nuance as to whether to take it or not much more important. The "if you don't take it you are killing grandma and are worthless filth while I'm a hero" thing was NEVER a scientifically accurate position yet it was pushed one by the zealots.
Seriously, “X has always been controlled opposition” is basically a meme at this point. I can’t take anyone who says it seriously.
Jordan has always said he leans Left, which is why the Left labeling him alt-right was such a hoot.
JP has a lot of insight into human nature, psychology and related sciences but his political takes have always been rather naive. This is no different. At least he’s realizing his mistake.
He seems to really lean into trusting our systems, be they government, corporate, or academic. I can see why, given the stupendously high standard of living we enjoy.
However, I think he's too trusting. His philosophy is to tell the truth; that's great for you but if you assume that everyone else is at least trying to do the same, you're going to go for a bad ride. And what we're seeing is clearly not the simple matter of high level experts doing their best but falling short; at this point there is clear deception happening.
I think people of his age have a particularly hard time with this as well. They grew up with the idea of the government protecting them from powerful foreign enemies (which it did, more or less) and so they give it a pass when they maybe shouldn't.
People growing up after the fall of the Berlin Wall have seen nothing but our governments trying to invent bogeymen to justify the greedy, heartless, unscrupulous crap that they have always gotten away with. For us, it's obvious that they're lying and it's all gone too far.
I like JBP generally; he's got lots of good ideas, he's a captivating story teller and he's got courage. But he's not a god that we should follow blindly, no one person is.
Rather than attack people for not living up to what we thought they should be, we should practice forgiveness, especially when he's clearly and without qualification admitting his error.
I'm still wrestling with this topic because I gained a lot from Peterson years ago, but have had some issues with him over the past year. So I see why people love him, and I see why some worry he's controlled opposition (he's probably not going to go deep into Solzhenitsyn "200 years" That's ok because I will, and don't think we even need any famous people to share the information for us).
It's reminded me not to blindly follow anyone as you say. But also not completely deserting someone because they say something I disagree with either.
Peterson in a way was a stepping stone for many who didn't have a strong father figure. Now that we have cleaned our damn rooms it's time we become men ourselves.
From your pragmatic standpoint, knowing someone's limitations up-front is valuable to avoid putting them in situations where they will fail to do something beneficial that is either expected of them or they have historically done under different circumstances.
For example one problem I have noted for a long time is that the most vocal and public defenders of people on the right are liberals (eg. Peterson, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan), and a time will inevitably come when the right goes someplace these liberals can't follow; at which point they'll stop defending the right at best and at worst turn coat and attack.
He's always been controlled opposition.
He claims to be an "expert" in totalitarian states but somehow failed to not see this coming?
Imagine if he said back in June what would have been a reasonable and balanced "centrist" position even then: "If you're in an at risk group you probably should get vaccinated because the risk of serious side effects is lower than the risk of serious illness, but I find it very strange the way nations and the media around the globe have been making an unprecedented nonstop push to get everyone in the world vaccinated. And because we've never done this before at this scale we don't really know the ramifications of doing so are. So because we're in uncharted territory I would urge everyone to use extra caution when making their own personal decisions here, and don't assume any particular person telling you what you should do has you and your family's best interests in mind because only you know that."
Instead it was "get the damned vaccine so we can get this over with".
That would have been the perfect thing to say. Also back then there had already been plenty of evidence that vaccinated people spread the disease just as much as unvaccinated making nuance as to whether to take it or not much more important. The "if you don't take it you are killing grandma and are worthless filth while I'm a hero" thing was NEVER a scientifically accurate position yet it was pushed one by the zealots.
Seriously, “X has always been controlled opposition” is basically a meme at this point. I can’t take anyone who says it seriously.
Jordan has always said he leans Left, which is why the Left labeling him alt-right was such a hoot.
JP has a lot of insight into human nature, psychology and related sciences but his political takes have always been rather naive. This is no different. At least he’s realizing his mistake.
He seems to really lean into trusting our systems, be they government, corporate, or academic. I can see why, given the stupendously high standard of living we enjoy.
However, I think he's too trusting. His philosophy is to tell the truth; that's great for you but if you assume that everyone else is at least trying to do the same, you're going to go for a bad ride. And what we're seeing is clearly not the simple matter of high level experts doing their best but falling short; at this point there is clear deception happening.
I think people of his age have a particularly hard time with this as well. They grew up with the idea of the government protecting them from powerful foreign enemies (which it did, more or less) and so they give it a pass when they maybe shouldn't.
People growing up after the fall of the Berlin Wall have seen nothing but our governments trying to invent bogeymen to justify the greedy, heartless, unscrupulous crap that they have always gotten away with. For us, it's obvious that they're lying and it's all gone too far.
I like JBP generally; he's got lots of good ideas, he's a captivating story teller and he's got courage. But he's not a god that we should follow blindly, no one person is.
Rather than attack people for not living up to what we thought they should be, we should practice forgiveness, especially when he's clearly and without qualification admitting his error.
I'm still wrestling with this topic because I gained a lot from Peterson years ago, but have had some issues with him over the past year. So I see why people love him, and I see why some worry he's controlled opposition (he's probably not going to go deep into Solzhenitsyn "200 years" That's ok because I will, and don't think we even need any famous people to share the information for us).
It's reminded me not to blindly follow anyone as you say. But also not completely deserting someone because they say something I disagree with either.
Peterson in a way was a stepping stone for many who didn't have a strong father figure. Now that we have cleaned our damn rooms it's time we become men ourselves.
Nah, fuck him. He's made this exact error numerous times already. See my comment to Nihilist Caregiver in this thread.
That's a fair criticism. We could probably benefit from more precise terminology rather than lumping everything under that label.
On the other hand, Peterson is someone I actively distrust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXYuqrO8LLo
From your pragmatic standpoint, knowing someone's limitations up-front is valuable to avoid putting them in situations where they will fail to do something beneficial that is either expected of them or they have historically done under different circumstances.
For example one problem I have noted for a long time is that the most vocal and public defenders of people on the right are liberals (eg. Peterson, Tim Pool, Joe Rogan), and a time will inevitably come when the right goes someplace these liberals can't follow; at which point they'll stop defending the right at best and at worst turn coat and attack.
It does get tossed around too much but in this case I think its accurate.
He was a socialist until he realize he hated his fellow socialists
He called MGTOW men "vermin" until he actually talked to some of them
He wanted to believe the Kavanugh accusations at first because it would be mean not to.
Hell, he claims he's read all of Neitszche's works but ignores how much he hated Christians.
Now this COVID shit. Whether he does it on purpose or not, the dudes entire philosphy revolves around being a cuck until its too late