On win forum he is your King and you have sworn fealty to him with only C being above
This is the essence of your point, and all I addressed.
Apparently it's a shock to you that somebody owns this site. That's not a king, it's mostly one person with tremendous foresight who developed the site to begin with in conjunction with a team that's mostly abandoned him. He also pays to keep the site running and you'll notice there are no ads.. He has to delegate responsibility especially as this site accommodates more groups. Whoever this Perun character is, he's been placed in a position unlike other mods. Want to call him a super mod? That doesn't fit but whatever.
He had to handle IP2's shit, and for 3 days that negatively impacted gaming. General remains ruined, many months later. You're a whiny little bitch when you should be grateful for what we do have here, that is entirely free to us. Is it perfect? Nobody has ever claimed so. Our main dev is currently working his ass off to vastly improve the whole site. I look forward to seeing it, as some maintenance has ben ignored to facilitate the transition.
As always your main point is that to even question is to whine and we all shall be grateful to your mercy. For he is divine and thus your are divine and your work providing a forum and pruning it is. You really are an uber faggot, why did you ever leave reddit?
I leave you with this copy past for fun :D
Yikes, have a seat fuckboi.
As an internet janitor, let me tell you something:
It's literally my job to grow this community. I'm personally responsible for everything that is thought and said within it, and I need to cultivate it like Banzai tree garden.
I need to spend my fucking life delicately pruning, snipping, and moving the tree so I can get it just the way I like it, which is how I know that it's a good community. On top of all of that, I do this FOR FREE. That's how I know I'm a good person.
There's a lot of trouble makers out there who try to upset the delicate balance of all the work I put in. I don't know if you know this, but moderators are really powerful, and I'm pretty important. I'm not going to let some nobody interfere with my grand project! <
I wanted to respond to the quote here. Mods on .win don't create the ... anything. YOU do! Mods simply keep things within bounds that YOU choose. It's impossible to create rules that cover everything. Judgment will always be required. We should be periodically asking what priorities, criteria, etc people want.
Implementing that is a compromise, meaning nobody ever gets what they want. Part of making this work is making mod logs public so people can see if one mod is off base. All (or at least most) mods should be replaced periodically to avoid burnout and increase participation, IMHO.
Mods can steer a .win down the middle of its stated purpose by stickying posts. Hopefully that's the biggest part of the duty and there aren't many reports.
This is an impromptu representation of the attitude .win mods should have. It's 180 degrees opposite from your quote, which sounds like Reddit
I know nothing about KIA or gaming .wins. Maybe you can take something here and inject it into the community and do some good? Also, modmail. I really don't understand how trust even enters into it except:.
doxxing. Actual, identify you IRL lose your job burn down your house doxxing, not the vague use of it I have seen from some mods.
stealing your work. I think the user agreement says anything you submit becomes property of .win or something like that but if you were presenting code and somebody took credit for your work and took your job yeah that would suck.
Yes the quote is a copy pasta from reddit describing mockingly the behavior of a moderator views, I used it to further illustrate the point in which Perun and your defense of his action is seen from my perspective.
Modmail and trust? The only part of modmail (clarification of what I mean is modmail, Incase there is a misunderstanding, with modmail I mean message the moderators function) is that it is anonymous of whom answer and since it goes to all on the list, who knows how it is handled, Thus I cannot know if it is deleted or replied and then forgotten.
But my point about trust is that the system you explain here:
Implementing that is a compromise, meaning nobody ever gets what they want. Part of making this work is making mod logs public so people can see if one mod is off base. All (or at least most) mods should be replaced periodically to avoid burnout and increase participation, IMHO.
Mods can steer a .win down the middle of its stated purpose by stickying posts. Hopefully that's the biggest part of the duty and there aren't many reports>
How can that work when we have a known "super mod" which overrules arbitrarily?
The very method this setup entails means that the super mod and above people need to be quite detached from the handling of community themselves otherwise you have a centralized structure that will be corrupted and the system in which you propose I can only see flourish while the illusion of the super admins detachment to individual community is kept.
The poor handling of the shitstorm and the later method of trying to just remove everything quietly under the rug? (At least it seems to be that sort of panic response) And when trying to point it out to other mods or admin, I either get nonchalant answer or the void. This shatters the illusion for me, have not kept a record of the value nor data so do not know how many other it affected and knowing reddit, you could probably keep doing this a lot more times before the illusion has faded.
I know nothing about KIA or gaming .wins. Maybe you can take something here and inject it into the community and do some good?
And don't worry, I told you trust is nil, I will not return to gaming nor any of the other wins. I will remain here until this inevitably get shutdown aswell.
How can that work when we have a known "super mod" which overrules arbitrarily?
Very fair point! Has Perun taken the reins of gaming other than this really strange 3 day spell?
Modmail does go to the whole group of that specific .win, but it getting deleted later shouldn't be a problem unless it's just ignored. Mods can't delete modmail btw, afaIk it exists forever. I'd hope there's some automatic purge function but I haven't seen evidence of that.
otherwise you have a centralized structure that will be corrupted
This is where knowing the history and creation of .win becomes important. You can read it. Our current "top dog" is legendary; for vision, faithfulness to it, and dev ability. If there's a cause for concern it's the project getting too big for him, burnout, and others involved being jerks. I have not seen or heard anything negative out of Perun other than my interaction with you. I'm not saying you're wrong but you haven't given me anything specific other than 3 days that were really strange by all accounts.
That truly was a panic situation. Personally, I think it was a mistake to bring at least 2 groups here, IP2 (the one that caused the shitstorm) being the worst. That's hindsight. I know why they were brought over and the intentions were good.
I still don't see how any of this impacts you now other than burnout from past Reddit experience?
As always your main point is that to even question is to whine
Not at all!
But it begins and ends with 3 days, right? I addressed the question of why. And added the observation that IP2 has been problematic for .win; maybe not from day 1 but in 2 weeks. Nobody else has caused problems like them and you were affected. Were you affected for more than 3 days? I mean yes you had tons of their crap in view until that was pushed out of view by new content, but did they actually leave for their new shithole after the 3 days?
This is the essence of your point, and all I addressed.
Apparently it's a shock to you that somebody owns this site. That's not a king, it's mostly one person with tremendous foresight who developed the site to begin with in conjunction with a team that's mostly abandoned him. He also pays to keep the site running and you'll notice there are no ads.. He has to delegate responsibility especially as this site accommodates more groups. Whoever this Perun character is, he's been placed in a position unlike other mods. Want to call him a super mod? That doesn't fit but whatever.
He had to handle IP2's shit, and for 3 days that negatively impacted gaming. General remains ruined, many months later. You're a whiny little bitch when you should be grateful for what we do have here, that is entirely free to us. Is it perfect? Nobody has ever claimed so. Our main dev is currently working his ass off to vastly improve the whole site. I look forward to seeing it, as some maintenance has ben ignored to facilitate the transition.
As always your main point is that to even question is to whine and we all shall be grateful to your mercy. For he is divine and thus your are divine and your work providing a forum and pruning it is. You really are an uber faggot, why did you ever leave reddit?
I leave you with this copy past for fun :D
I wanted to respond to the quote here. Mods on .win don't create the ... anything. YOU do! Mods simply keep things within bounds that YOU choose. It's impossible to create rules that cover everything. Judgment will always be required. We should be periodically asking what priorities, criteria, etc people want.
Implementing that is a compromise, meaning nobody ever gets what they want. Part of making this work is making mod logs public so people can see if one mod is off base. All (or at least most) mods should be replaced periodically to avoid burnout and increase participation, IMHO.
Mods can steer a .win down the middle of its stated purpose by stickying posts. Hopefully that's the biggest part of the duty and there aren't many reports.
This is an impromptu representation of the attitude .win mods should have. It's 180 degrees opposite from your quote, which sounds like Reddit
I know nothing about KIA or gaming .wins. Maybe you can take something here and inject it into the community and do some good? Also, modmail. I really don't understand how trust even enters into it except:.
doxxing. Actual, identify you IRL lose your job burn down your house doxxing, not the vague use of it I have seen from some mods.
stealing your work. I think the user agreement says anything you submit becomes property of .win or something like that but if you were presenting code and somebody took credit for your work and took your job yeah that would suck.
Yes the quote is a copy pasta from reddit describing mockingly the behavior of a moderator views, I used it to further illustrate the point in which Perun and your defense of his action is seen from my perspective.
Modmail and trust? The only part of modmail (clarification of what I mean is modmail, Incase there is a misunderstanding, with modmail I mean message the moderators function) is that it is anonymous of whom answer and since it goes to all on the list, who knows how it is handled, Thus I cannot know if it is deleted or replied and then forgotten.
But my point about trust is that the system you explain here:
How can that work when we have a known "super mod" which overrules arbitrarily? The very method this setup entails means that the super mod and above people need to be quite detached from the handling of community themselves otherwise you have a centralized structure that will be corrupted and the system in which you propose I can only see flourish while the illusion of the super admins detachment to individual community is kept.
The poor handling of the shitstorm and the later method of trying to just remove everything quietly under the rug? (At least it seems to be that sort of panic response) And when trying to point it out to other mods or admin, I either get nonchalant answer or the void. This shatters the illusion for me, have not kept a record of the value nor data so do not know how many other it affected and knowing reddit, you could probably keep doing this a lot more times before the illusion has faded.
And don't worry, I told you trust is nil, I will not return to gaming nor any of the other wins. I will remain here until this inevitably get shutdown aswell.
Very fair point! Has Perun taken the reins of gaming other than this really strange 3 day spell?
Modmail does go to the whole group of that specific .win, but it getting deleted later shouldn't be a problem unless it's just ignored. Mods can't delete modmail btw, afaIk it exists forever. I'd hope there's some automatic purge function but I haven't seen evidence of that.
This is where knowing the history and creation of .win becomes important. You can read it. Our current "top dog" is legendary; for vision, faithfulness to it, and dev ability. If there's a cause for concern it's the project getting too big for him, burnout, and others involved being jerks. I have not seen or heard anything negative out of Perun other than my interaction with you. I'm not saying you're wrong but you haven't given me anything specific other than 3 days that were really strange by all accounts.
That truly was a panic situation. Personally, I think it was a mistake to bring at least 2 groups here, IP2 (the one that caused the shitstorm) being the worst. That's hindsight. I know why they were brought over and the intentions were good.
I still don't see how any of this impacts you now other than burnout from past Reddit experience?
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Not at all!
But it begins and ends with 3 days, right? I addressed the question of why. And added the observation that IP2 has been problematic for .win; maybe not from day 1 but in 2 weeks. Nobody else has caused problems like them and you were affected. Were you affected for more than 3 days? I mean yes you had tons of their crap in view until that was pushed out of view by new content, but did they actually leave for their new shithole after the 3 days?
You seem to think the shitstorm itself had me riled up?
The major problem is trust and that is still ongoing and has deteriorated to nil.
I do not know how one can communicate it clearer than that.
Trust. 3 days of Perun. What else?