if lindell wanted to grift - he could have just shut up about the steal and kept selling his product to multiple large chains. And we need more platforms, not less, so as long as he's not charging a subscription for it, it will add to the people's voice.
We have a “we believe science” type a couple doors up. Kids play out side with masks still, etc.. She was bragging about scheduling their booster shot and asked when everyone else was when one of the other mothers said no, we’re not. She started on a tirade when one of the other mothers shut her down with:
“While you were at Disney World we were all sick with COVID at our house and we were all vaccinated. So no we’re not getting any boosters”.
That’s when I chimed in and asked based on what science? The WHO is recommending against boosters. I’m following their guidelines. Are you going to tell me that the World Health Organization is unscientific? Pulled up the page on my phone as well.
The whole NPC meme…I mean you could see her brain short circuiting in real time. She just stood there silent for about a minute slack jawed with no response. Decided it was time to go home after that.
Based on the statistics it probably helps somewhat against severe Wu Flu cases.
Problem is, that's not the full picture. You also have an inverse risk to benefit ratio depending on age when it comes to the vax. The younger you are the more the vax side effects outweigh the benefits.
Dunno where the golden spot is where the benefits outweigh the risks but it seems to be mainly seniors and people with preexisting conditions. It's especially hard to determine considering there may or may not be long-term side-effects we don't know about yet.
They never truly tracked the effect in the average population. When you dig into the numbers they publish it's all bullshit and assumptions. They have no clue.
Nobody is allowed to run a study on differential outcomes between unvaccinated, vaccinated, and medicated (ivermectin and others.)
The few that do exist, which are pulled from what little data even exists, shows a complete failure of the overall narrative.
Looking at actual historical data and the background of the mRNA delivery method itself, it's more likely the damn thing increases incidence of symptoms and long term will cause worse mutations of the virus.
For example according to this article 59% of hospitalizations in Israel are vaccinated (which OP's article calls "half"). The question is what do you compare that percentage to to judge effectiveness?
78% of ELIGIBLE Israelis are vaccinated. That indicates some effectiveness because the % of hospitalized infected is lower.
Then again 78% of eligible is just 58% of overall Israelis (according to OP's article), which would indicate it does fuck all.
Then again again those not eligible and the unvaxxed are the young and very young who don't end up in the hospital often anyway, so older people appear to get some benefit from the vaccine.
All seems a bit more like reading tea leaves than statistics :D
That indicates some effectiveness because the % of hospitalized infected is lower.
You're deriving the wrong conclusion from the data.
How do you know people didn't naturally fight off COVID?
How do you know they didn't already have COVID?
How do you know they haven't already been treated for COVID BEFORE getting the vaccine?
And where is the control study showing vaccinated versus unvaccinated related to efficacy?
Then again again those not eligible and the unvaxxed are the young and very young who don't end up in the hospital often anyway, so older people appear to get some benefit from the vaccine.
I keep seeing people post this fabricated lie everywhere with zero data to back it up.
HOW is it effective? Based on what study? Based on what control group? Based on what risk factors? WHERE is this data people here keep referring to that these vaccines work for old people?
Because old people are still suffering from the clots like young people, just at a slower rate, you can literally see examples of it here:
https://t.me/s/covidvaccineinjuries
A lot of it has to do with their immune systems just not being as active, so the negative side effects are slower to appear compared to younger people with more active immune systems.
I really wish people would stop parroting the anti-science narrative from the media that "the vaccines are fine for old people" literally based on nothing.
Now if you have some longitudinal studies based on blood work done on 65+ individuals, feel free to share it. Because if they show efficacy rates of improving health or reducing symptomatic effects, I would gladly like to read it. But I haven't seen one person provide any peer reviewed control data about efficacy rates in older people. Just a lot of disinformation through a game of telephone.
It likely does NOT STOP THEOVERALL SPREAD BY ENOUGH FOR HERD IMMUNITY'
I suspect the delta variant then is actually less deadly
We've known this for a month already.
The rest i mostly agree.
based on the data I'm seeing, I think the vaccine literally does nothing.
No, it stops symptoms, and reduces the occurance of SERIOUS covid effects. it minorly reduces transmission, but that is reducing by the day. it also fills the drug co's (and politicians) pockets
It does what it was created for, to make a bunch of new billionaires.
if lindell wanted to grift - he could have just shut up about the steal and kept selling his product to multiple large chains. And we need more platforms, not less, so as long as he's not charging a subscription for it, it will add to the people's voice.
We have a “we believe science” type a couple doors up. Kids play out side with masks still, etc.. She was bragging about scheduling their booster shot and asked when everyone else was when one of the other mothers said no, we’re not. She started on a tirade when one of the other mothers shut her down with:
“While you were at Disney World we were all sick with COVID at our house and we were all vaccinated. So no we’re not getting any boosters”.
That’s when I chimed in and asked based on what science? The WHO is recommending against boosters. I’m following their guidelines. Are you going to tell me that the World Health Organization is unscientific? Pulled up the page on my phone as well.
The whole NPC meme…I mean you could see her brain short circuiting in real time. She just stood there silent for about a minute slack jawed with no response. Decided it was time to go home after that.
theyre going to try to approve the medicaltestVACX soon, w'ere going to need to dive through the data and expel the evil of the shit asap, yall
No it does not.
Based on the statistics it probably helps somewhat against severe Wu Flu cases.
Problem is, that's not the full picture. You also have an inverse risk to benefit ratio depending on age when it comes to the vax. The younger you are the more the vax side effects outweigh the benefits.
Dunno where the golden spot is where the benefits outweigh the risks but it seems to be mainly seniors and people with preexisting conditions. It's especially hard to determine considering there may or may not be long-term side-effects we don't know about yet.
What statistics?
They never truly tracked the effect in the average population. When you dig into the numbers they publish it's all bullshit and assumptions. They have no clue.
Nobody is allowed to run a study on differential outcomes between unvaccinated, vaccinated, and medicated (ivermectin and others.)
The few that do exist, which are pulled from what little data even exists, shows a complete failure of the overall narrative.
Looking at actual historical data and the background of the mRNA delivery method itself, it's more likely the damn thing increases incidence of symptoms and long term will cause worse mutations of the virus.
For example according to this article 59% of hospitalizations in Israel are vaccinated (which OP's article calls "half"). The question is what do you compare that percentage to to judge effectiveness?
78% of ELIGIBLE Israelis are vaccinated. That indicates some effectiveness because the % of hospitalized infected is lower.
Then again 78% of eligible is just 58% of overall Israelis (according to OP's article), which would indicate it does fuck all.
Then again again those not eligible and the unvaxxed are the young and very young who don't end up in the hospital often anyway, so older people appear to get some benefit from the vaccine.
All seems a bit more like reading tea leaves than statistics :D
You're deriving the wrong conclusion from the data.
How do you know people didn't naturally fight off COVID?
How do you know they didn't already have COVID?
How do you know they haven't already been treated for COVID BEFORE getting the vaccine?
And where is the control study showing vaccinated versus unvaccinated related to efficacy?
I keep seeing people post this fabricated lie everywhere with zero data to back it up.
HOW is it effective? Based on what study? Based on what control group? Based on what risk factors? WHERE is this data people here keep referring to that these vaccines work for old people?
Because old people are still suffering from the clots like young people, just at a slower rate, you can literally see examples of it here: https://t.me/s/covidvaccineinjuries
A lot of it has to do with their immune systems just not being as active, so the negative side effects are slower to appear compared to younger people with more active immune systems.
I really wish people would stop parroting the anti-science narrative from the media that "the vaccines are fine for old people" literally based on nothing.
Now if you have some longitudinal studies based on blood work done on 65+ individuals, feel free to share it. Because if they show efficacy rates of improving health or reducing symptomatic effects, I would gladly like to read it. But I haven't seen one person provide any peer reviewed control data about efficacy rates in older people. Just a lot of disinformation through a game of telephone.
the stats of overall serious cases in vaccinated countries, lol.
unhealthy people
It DOES help - reduce symptoms in the vulnerable.
It likely does NOT STOP THEOVERALL SPREAD BY ENOUGH FOR HERD IMMUNITY'
We've known this for a month already.
The rest i mostly agree.
No, it stops symptoms, and reduces the occurance of SERIOUS covid effects. it minorly reduces transmission, but that is reducing by the day. it also fills the drug co's (and politicians) pockets
No it does not stop symptoms. You should actually look into these "vaccines". They do not do shit.
....besides fuck your immune system.