From that perspective, it is utterly insane to me that a species, or part of it at least, would choose to cease reproduction. Like, that is... So unusual as to be almost "unique", both historically and in the animal kingdom more broadly...
I hate to say it, but I think it means we fucked up massively, somewhere along the way...
"Voluntary human extinction" is such a bizarre concept, so utterly insane from any logical, scientific perspective, let alone a RELIGIOUS/SPIRITUAL one, to take the opposite perspective, that it is, just...
Maybe we're too "intelligent" for our own good? I really don't know, but it does... Worry me, that this shit is mainstream. That should never, ever have happened.
Even Disney had to make up the shit about lemmings jumping off cliffs. And yet we, as a species, seem to be determined to actually do it, lol...
Unfortunately, though, it is the future generations that will pay for that "choice".
The mouse utopia maps onto humans almost perfectly, and this isn't the first time it has happened to Man. Rome, Baghdad, and Greece saw very similar conditions.
In our own time the whole of Greece has been subjected to a low birth rate and a general decrease of the population, owing to which cities have become deserted and the land has ceased to yield fruit, although there has been neither continuous wars or epidemics... For as men had fallen into such a state of prententiousness, avarice, and indolence that they did not wish to marry, or if they married to rear the children born to them, or at most as a rule but one or two of them, so as to leave these in affluence and bring them up to waste their substance, the evil rapidly and insensibly grew.
I've never heard of any of that, except re the fall of Rome, and how its population dropped as much as it did, so cheers for this!
I will do some more research, and perhaps try and fit it into a future essay somewhere, ha!
If you have more quotes/info about any of that (mouse utopia?? I can guess what that entailed, but I don't think I've ever heard of it before!), please spill, coz I'm interested to hear it!
Also, what era was Polybius..? Are we talking Hellenistic Greece, here, or like, later, around the time they were taken over by Rome..??
Corinth was physically removed by Rome, which is the usual demarcation of Rome controlling Greece, halfway through Polybius' life. The Mouse Utopia shows that when animals don't have to struggle to survive they choose not to survive.
The Mouse Utopia shows that when animals don't have to struggle to survive they choose not to survive.
It suggests when we have nothing to do and not purpose we self-implode.
"need to struggle to survive" wording is rather bullshit though, a lot of things seems to change if we're constantly struggling to survive - a lack of interest in sex, high order brain function shutting off, and eventually violent conflict with our competitors to destroy others using the resources we need.
Humans seem to be evolved for an environment - in my opinion - where we're doing about 50% of the max work we could be. It doesn't matter if it doesn't sound cool that seems to be what it is. To little to do and we self-destruct from lethargy, to much just to survive and we get violent and aggressive.
Side note: I am an evolutionary biologist.
From that perspective, it is utterly insane to me that a species, or part of it at least, would choose to cease reproduction. Like, that is... So unusual as to be almost "unique", both historically and in the animal kingdom more broadly...
I hate to say it, but I think it means we fucked up massively, somewhere along the way... "Voluntary human extinction" is such a bizarre concept, so utterly insane from any logical, scientific perspective, let alone a RELIGIOUS/SPIRITUAL one, to take the opposite perspective, that it is, just...
Maybe we're too "intelligent" for our own good? I really don't know, but it does... Worry me, that this shit is mainstream. That should never, ever have happened.
Even Disney had to make up the shit about lemmings jumping off cliffs. And yet we, as a species, seem to be determined to actually do it, lol...
Unfortunately, though, it is the future generations that will pay for that "choice".
The mouse utopia maps onto humans almost perfectly, and this isn't the first time it has happened to Man. Rome, Baghdad, and Greece saw very similar conditions.
-Polybius
Interesting...
I've never heard of any of that, except re the fall of Rome, and how its population dropped as much as it did, so cheers for this! I will do some more research, and perhaps try and fit it into a future essay somewhere, ha!
If you have more quotes/info about any of that (mouse utopia?? I can guess what that entailed, but I don't think I've ever heard of it before!), please spill, coz I'm interested to hear it!
Also, what era was Polybius..? Are we talking Hellenistic Greece, here, or like, later, around the time they were taken over by Rome..??
Corinth was physically removed by Rome, which is the usual demarcation of Rome controlling Greece, halfway through Polybius' life. The Mouse Utopia shows that when animals don't have to struggle to survive they choose not to survive.
It suggests when we have nothing to do and not purpose we self-implode.
"need to struggle to survive" wording is rather bullshit though, a lot of things seems to change if we're constantly struggling to survive - a lack of interest in sex, high order brain function shutting off, and eventually violent conflict with our competitors to destroy others using the resources we need.
Humans seem to be evolved for an environment - in my opinion - where we're doing about 50% of the max work we could be. It doesn't matter if it doesn't sound cool that seems to be what it is. To little to do and we self-destruct from lethargy, to much just to survive and we get violent and aggressive.
Our species evolved in an environment where 1 person could only collect so much stuff.
The tribe of around 100 people - limited by physical reality is the environment we evolved in.
Things have changed to where 1 person can hold power over billions of people and we don't have much defense against it.