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Survivor guilt (twitter.com)
posted 4 years ago by SupremeReader 4 years ago by SupremeReader +50 / -0
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– exilde 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

https://archive.is/iSgQA

Turgel, an elegant woman with more than a hint of mischief in her blue eyes, survived not one or two, but three Nazi concentration camps. In the most notorious of all, Auschwitz-Birkeanau, she was herded naked into a gas chamber with hundreds of others. Yet Turgel, who was 21 at the time, walked out alive. **She had no idea the Nazis had tried to kill her until a woman she knew said, “Don’t you know what has just happened to you? You were in the gas chamber!” Turgel still looks amazed to have cheated death. "I completely lost my voice," she said. "I just never realized I was in the gas chamber ... it must not have worked."

I mean, this just doesn't quite have the ring of a secretive, compartmentalized, efficient industrial killing machine.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah because she's lying out her ass.

Listen to that story, not just that part. She went through multiple concentration camps, a death march, Dr. Mengele specifically, and Anne Frank specifically.

I don't buy that, I'd like to see evidence of an actual death march, first. We know that the National Socialists did evacuate some camps as the Red Army approached. Many were simply put on trains. In fact, one of the events that lead to the Americans committing war crimes in retaliation to a discovered concentration camp, was their discovery of abandoned traincars filled with dead prisoners who had died basically during a failed attempt to evacuate the camp. The German staff decided to evacuate the camp, then realized the couldn't evacuate it before the allies arrived, and just locked the traincars and left. Leaving hundreds of emaciated prisoners to die in the train cars from heat and hunger.

However, in many cases, executions sped up, fires were set, or camps were otherwise simply abandoned. A death march would have been to difficult and disorderly for such a thing to take place. Too many people would have tried to flee, way too many would simply have died, and you'd need too many to guard it. Hence why you use trains.

Second, the cast characters is a dead giveaway. Some people will know they interacted with Dr. Mengele, but it's not like he introduced himself to everyone. Same reason certain infamous camp guards are known by their physique, behavior, and nick-name, rather than real name. The prisoners wouldn't know.

This gets worse for Anne Frank, who would be simply another irrelevant girl in a concentration camp. Even if you met Anne Frank, there's no reason to believe you'd remember her.

As for Auschwitz, either some ridiculous catastrophic failure took place and all the guards were just shrugging, or she wasn't in a gas chamber. There's no details in there. I'd be interested to hear her explanation of the exact events of what happened. Methinks she didn't crawl over a pile of bodies. But I'd be curious if she literally just showered. There are actually real showers in Auschwitz. If she was ever there at all.

Her story is just too much about hitting every check-mark you can think of.

Compare this to the story of the handful of the soldier who fought on both sides of the war and was eventually captured at Normandy. His story is basically just being both lucky and unlucky, but never said "Oh, yeah, I met General Eisenhower, Stalin, Hitler, and I was shot in the head."

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– exilde 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Her story is just too much about hitting every check-mark you can think of.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Many such stories. I'm not saying that Nazi Germany wasn't a complete shitshow full of atrocity. The record is just really fucked. The Zyklon B gas chambers, in particular, stink to me. Diesel exhaust gas chambers, on the other hand, are at least sound in theory.

But that's not the story.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I also know that 9/11 was real, and there are people who lie that they were victims in that too.

Zyklon B gas chambers, in particular, stink to me. Diesel exhaust gas chambers, on the other hand, are at least sound in theory.

That's just ridiculous.

You are prepared to except everything but the one component, for reasoning that is totally asinine. A sealed diesel gas chamber would increase pressure just like a Zyklon B gas chamber would. And diesel engine emissions are also lighter than air.

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– exilde 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

No, my problem lies in the implausibility of using a commercial fumigant designed for safer application than sodium cyanide and acid. It just doesn't make sense at any level. If they dumped the zyklon directly in the chamber, it's going to be releasing HCN for up to 72 hours, based on heat and airflow conditions. If they heated the granules and cycled the air, it may have worked in the "advertised" 30 minutes. But again, that's not even the claim.

A diesel engine's exhaust, in itself, creates pressure and poison. This make sense. Emissions circulate. It was also apparently used, though the record says the "blue skin" (it's red) and excrement from carbon monoxide poisoning was too traumatic for the executioners.

Again, the story stinks. There's just too much bullshit. Just dump sodium cyanide in some acid. This will get you the desired result (as we do in the US). Don't use some slow release diatomaceous earth.

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