My blind guess, taking into consideration the fact that there are multiple vaccine lines in circulation from different sources and development methods...
I believe that roughly 5% of the immunized population will have some health complication in the next five years as a result of immunization.
Even if it is limited to only 5 percent of the immunized population that ends up having serious health problems or fatalities due to the vaccines, that rate would still be much higher than the risk of a healthy individual having serious problems or fatalities due to a COVID-19 infection.
I think when the dust settles the FDA will belatedly admit that SOME of these vaccines would not have gotten approval were it not for the emergency, test-in-the-wild situation.
Allowing these vaccines to go forward is the one thing that I hate about Trump, despite the fact that he has been the best president we've had in decades. He even knew HCQ worked against covid.. not sure why he allowed it to be suppressed instead of fighting to keep it available.
My family got vaccinated, at this point I'm just hoping they don't become part of the unfortunate percentage that shits the bed. Same for friends I've known in my life. So far I have not heard of any seriously threatening adverse reactions for any of them. I figure that probably would've happened by now because it's been months that many of them got it.
Most medical long-term concerns take two forms: Time of birth, and time of death.
Time of birth: Fertility, carry-to-term, early/late, birth defects, baby-age developmental defects.
Time of death: Cancers, basically. There's other stuff, organ malfunctions that pile up over time, but 90% of the time, cancer. This thing causes lung cancer in 40 years, that thing causes uterine cancer in 15 years, etc etc.
Even if it is limited to only 5 percent of the immunized population that ends up having serious health problems or fatalities due to the vaccines
You've made up your mind: 'vaccines bad', and if turns out that they did far more good than harm, as is very likely, you will just play the journalist and pretend that your record of bad predictions never happeened.
You made up your mind: "experimental vaccines: good" and if turns out that they did far more harm than good, as is very likely, you will just play the journalist and pretend that your record of bad predictions never happened.
In the next five years, there is definitely going to be an uptick in ALL sorts of health issues. Between depression and related behavioral changes, obesity and activity related cardiovascular problems, and reduced exposure to other respiratory viruses, the next few years are going to be brutal.
The trick will be isolating causation.
With all the noise caused by the socioeconomic disruptions, I don't think we'll ever truly be able to disentangle the increased morbidity due to the vaccines from the increased morbidity due to the entire fucking first world losing its goddamn mind for a couple years.
My blind guess, taking into consideration the fact that there are multiple vaccine lines in circulation from different sources and development methods...
I believe that roughly 5% of the immunized population will have some health complication in the next five years as a result of immunization.
Even if it is limited to only 5 percent of the immunized population that ends up having serious health problems or fatalities due to the vaccines, that rate would still be much higher than the risk of a healthy individual having serious problems or fatalities due to a COVID-19 infection.
Fuck no to these experimental vaccines.
Yes.
I think when the dust settles the FDA will belatedly admit that SOME of these vaccines would not have gotten approval were it not for the emergency, test-in-the-wild situation.
They will likely blame their favorite Orange Man for rushed approval when they finally admit that these COVID vaccines DO have some serious problems.
Allowing these vaccines to go forward is the one thing that I hate about Trump, despite the fact that he has been the best president we've had in decades. He even knew HCQ worked against covid.. not sure why he allowed it to be suppressed instead of fighting to keep it available.
My family got vaccinated, at this point I'm just hoping they don't become part of the unfortunate percentage that shits the bed. Same for friends I've known in my life. So far I have not heard of any seriously threatening adverse reactions for any of them. I figure that probably would've happened by now because it's been months that many of them got it.
Most medical long-term concerns take two forms: Time of birth, and time of death.
Time of birth: Fertility, carry-to-term, early/late, birth defects, baby-age developmental defects.
Time of death: Cancers, basically. There's other stuff, organ malfunctions that pile up over time, but 90% of the time, cancer. This thing causes lung cancer in 40 years, that thing causes uterine cancer in 15 years, etc etc.
You've made up your mind: 'vaccines bad', and if turns out that they did far more good than harm, as is very likely, you will just play the journalist and pretend that your record of bad predictions never happeened.
You made up your mind: "experimental vaccines: good" and if turns out that they did far more harm than good, as is very likely, you will just play the journalist and pretend that your record of bad predictions never happened.
False. I do point out the cost-benefit ratio. For older people, these experimental vaccines are very good. For 30-year-olds? Probably not.
AoV, just gonna throw this in:
In the next five years, there is definitely going to be an uptick in ALL sorts of health issues. Between depression and related behavioral changes, obesity and activity related cardiovascular problems, and reduced exposure to other respiratory viruses, the next few years are going to be brutal.
The trick will be isolating causation.
With all the noise caused by the socioeconomic disruptions, I don't think we'll ever truly be able to disentangle the increased morbidity due to the vaccines from the increased morbidity due to the entire fucking first world losing its goddamn mind for a couple years.
You could compare stats to Florida Man, whose mind was already gone and therefore was left a bit less mind-lost from this madness.