I was talking with my step-brother (far-left tech IPO in NYC) the other day about cooking and something he mentioned caught me by surprise. He was talking about cooking and how this new channel had picked up a bunch of chefs who were racially discriminated against by Delish? and we’re getting paid far less than their peers. So they switched over and made their own program that had been doing well. The baseline of this is of course that is good because if they can do better elsewhere they should. However what struck me as odd is that the accused channel is far left, in fact it would be hard to find any large cooking channel that isn’t pro whatever wokeness is currently on display.
This discussion triggered a realization in the mentality of the far-left, their projection on who they view as lessers (conservatives) is not directed by the actions of conservatives but by the actions of who they consider similar. So if a far left supporting business is caught having rampant racism or sexism their immediate reaction is how much worse conservatives must be. This is amplified by the fact that liberals often do not understand why conservatives value what they value, they only understand what they are told they value by other liberals.
The LEFT are the real racists!
Please just shut up about it already. Nobody cares. They don't care. Everyone here already knows this. Stop legitimizing their moral framework. Stop attempting to attack leftists from a leftist frame of mind. It will literally never work, they don't care about hypocrisy, it's only their tribe is right and yours is wrong.
Be proud to be a racist misogynist bigot. It's human nature to be wary of the Other.
Attempting to attack the left by going, "No u", only implicitly accepts their moral framework as correct and makes you look like a petulant child.
This isn’t a no u. It’s an observation on mentality, and a hypothesis on why this mentality exists. We have seen time and time again when someone deplugs it is due to the fact they have a opus moment where the diatribes of their usual persuaders is caught in a logical fallacy. Things like the Democrat primary rigging in 2016 and 2020, where even basic math analysis shows there was tampering. Understanding how others perceive and rationalize their opinions is necessary because it makes it easier defeat their argument. In this case their heavy in group biases make any attempt at rational discussions by a labeled “conservative” moot because they are viewed as lesser beings, therefore incapable of the superior understanding that the leftist engages in. So the challenge becomes how do we change the paradigm so they believe that the discourse is being conducted by an equal or superior.
Camps.
Unfortunately that's how it is going to end. We live in two separate realities and people don't take well to the whole, "your entire worldview is fundamentally flawed" truth. If they come to it on their own, sometimes they can come to terms with the fact that they've been lied to their entire life. But they will vehemently oppose anyone from the outgroup trying to lead them to that realization.
Again, it's tribal nature. My tribe good no matter what. Education, which ideally teaches thinking skills should let people overcome this, but education doesn't teach people to think anymore. It's been subverted into "repeat the lines you've been told," which only further fuels tribalism.
By ignoring their frame and premises and having values and standards.
If someone for example notices forced integration made their neighborhood less safe and the schools worse, they aren't "racist" for pointing that out and saying they wish their neighborhood was as it was before the forced integration. But as we saw when ConInc tried to dunk on Joe Biden for being against bussing back in the 70s, they will accept the left's frame that it is the Federal government's job to force racial integration at gunpoint in a misguided attempt to score a cheap political point their opposition won't even care about.
Same as with gay marriage which ConInc now supports, and coming soon trannies thanks to Bruce Jenner's political career (which even if he bombs for being a few years ahead of his time is coming soon to an election near you).
A better question is: why should they believe the discourse is being conducted by an equal or superior when they can make their opposition defend something they once opposed with equal fervor to what they're opposing today?
He makes a good point but I don’t even bother trying to discuss this with people anymore
I'm not going to be a reactionary, and justify literally all of their narratives about me.
I'm going to reject their narratives, shove their rhetoric back in their mouths, and tell them that no communist has the right to judge me.
Rejection of a disease is fine, when you are not plagued by it. At the end of the day we are either stuck with eradicating the disease through force, intercepting the disease, or finding a way for the diseased to accept they are diseased. The first two are clearly not possible currently, but the third could be applied through applying subtle thought pathogens into the diseased mind. This of course runs risks the same as any process but can bring a greater result.
I don't agree with your assessment, because you're not dealing with a disease, you're dealing with people and it requires a different approach.
It specifically requires the anti-Left developing high integrity, individualist, disciplined, long-time preferences, men capable of building the culture and civilization we need instead of fighting for scraps of power among dying Leftist institutions. We will supplant their failing structures.