Ok, that's too much for just going through all at once, so forgive me for doing this piecemeal. I normally hate the small quote + reply format but whatever, it works here.
They are definitely dangerous, like, objectively so, and that isn't even counting the fact that people ARE dying and having serious reactions to it.
Accurate, but only in the same vein that saying Covid is objectively dangerous is also technically true. The point of anyone having an opinion on it is about how dangerous it is and whether the reactions to that danger are reasonable.
See here's the thing - Vaccines are usually tested for YEARS, going through TONS AND TONS of trials before they are approved to be used on people. By the time that you and I can get them, they would be (mostly) safe for most people to get and the chance of having a serious reaction would be astronomically low. We would also know the likelihood of any long-term effects that might arise from them.
But these vaccines skipped all that. They have undergone almost no testing, and have been pushed to market WAY sooner than ANY OTHER VACCINE EVER.
I don't have a fully encyclopedic knowledge of all vaccines, so maybe there's a faster one, but yeah, this hit emergency use approval hella fast, and in some ways was definitely helped weasel through the process. Specifically in the almost blatantly willful obstruction of already known treatments to make sure the need for the vaccine was seen as great enough to allow shortcuts like emergency use approval.
But it has by no means skipped all of the testing, the testing has been short but far more intense than any vaccine before trialed, with far more tests carried out in a short period than any normal vaccine trial has come close to. And as of yet I've yet to see any evidence that suggests results tampering hiding the true number of adverse effects. Long term effects remains a valid concern, but frankly I don't necessarily trust longer trials of any other pharmaceutical we already use to accurately portray all possible long term risks, they'll only ever catch the most glaring issues. Engaging with medicine in any fashion is agreeing to things that are "very probably safe" not "definitely safe". And given the sheer volume of vaccinated people and the lack of any evidence of any individual cases of results tampering, it's getting very probable that the serious side effect rates are pretty close to those that are already reported.
If anyone suddenly drops fucking dead from a blood clot within 2 days of getting the shot despite not having any prior history of blood clots... well, the media and supposed medical "experts" insist that it had absolutely nothing to do with the shot.
Again I haven't actually seen any blatant coverups yet, so either they're getting better at hiding them or there just aren't as many, and on the other hand I have seen a good number of cases where someone died and it was blamed on the vaccine in the media. There was a healthy UK news guy in his 40s who died just recently and they haven't been shy about saying he had an adverse reaction to the vaccine and died of blood clots. On the other hand I also haven't seen any of the blatant inflation in the other direction like people dying in car accidents and getting it blamed on having the coof, so the risks that are reported for the vaccines are also very likely real rather than overblown to some degree like half the covid risk reports.
Not to mention that this "vaccine" isn't even really a vaccine at all. A vaccine, by definition, is an injection of a dead or extremely weak version of an illness that your body can easily fight off and develop an immunity to.
That I just have to disagree with, it doesn't have to be an attenuated virus to be a vaccine, it just have to provide immunity. A vaccine administered purely for that purpose and as long as it actually serves that purpose it is a vaccine.
These COVID shots don't work like that. In short, they modify your DNA in ways that we really don't even know the extent of yet.
Also a hard disagree, they haven't shown any signs of altering DNA, nor is it part of their intended way of working. They introduce new strings of RNA into your cells, that should eventually be destroyed by entropy your cells' normal recycling functions. DNA and RNA are related and kind of look the same chemically, but they're like comparing engine oil and gasoline. They all go into the same engine, but you can't just switch one for the other, and your gas tank doesn't actually fill up with oil when you top up the sump. DNA is forever, but RNA is just that week in Vegas, and what happened in Vegas should stay in Vegas.
Plus on top of all of that, you should always be suspicious of anything that the government and media unanimously agree that you MUST do or believe. If they tell you that you have no choice, that you MUST get the shot or you are automatically a horrible person and that all of society should shun you... you should probably question WHY they're being so pushy.
100% agree. But there's more than one answer to that question. In my mind it's just as likely a form of general obedience conditioning and shit testing for anyone with institutional power who still actually cares about personal liberty to weed them out, than it is a conspiracy to hide the dangers of the vaccine itself. That and a healthy dose of lining the pockets of their favourite pharmaceutical lobbyists.
Also, even if you ARE gullible enough to get the shot... surprise! It doesn't protect you from COVID! By their own admission, the vaccine does NOT prevent you from catching nor transmitting COVID-19 - ALL IT DOES is MAYBE, POSSIBLY reduce the severity of the symptoms.
That's definitely one of the lies they're pushing so they can keep using the coof scare for a bit longer. The vaccines seemingly do a pretty good job of reducing transmission or getting symptoms at all, not just reducing hospitalisation. Not better than naturally acquired immunity, but they've been lying about how well that generally works too.
Other places still are reporting though, Switzerland has reported cases up to 14th May so far. And I like them as a source because as a country it's been generally more skeptical of the covid vaccines than most, Swissmedic's not an easily tampered with third world trash agency, the population's generally more conservative, and at least from the outside they tend to keep quiet more about globalist bullshit than other Western countries. They do have an indirect financial interest in the Moderna vaccine though, so it's not perfect but I'll take it.
Anyway, Switzerland is reporting 130 breakthrough infections out of ~1,100,000 vaccinated individuals tracked in the last 5 months. They've mostly been only comprehensively vaccinating the elderly and high risk so far, and almost all of those who got still infected were aged 80+ or severely immunocompromised for other reasons. Those aren't numbers that say the vaccine doesn't work, those are numbers that say ~130 people in 1.1 million old and critically frail people have an immune system that sucks. Most of their 80+ demographic is vaccinated now, so that's less than 130 old codgers catching covid out of almost the whole population, which isn't bad at all. There's more teasing numbers to do before laying that firmly at the feet of vaccination, given we're leaving flu season and the covid had already swept through the elderly pretty well before the vaccines rolled out the rate should be dropping anyway, but it dropping that low isn't exactly a bad sign.
There's no mechanism to integrate mRNA into the genome of the human body.
Actually, there is. The human genome is awash with retrotransposons that encode reverse transcriptase. Here is a preprint that convicinngly shows that SARS-Cov-2 RNA can be integrated into the human genome through reverse transcription via LINE-1 retrotransposons, and subsequently transcribed:
So you're pointing to the fact that mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades... and ignoring the fact that they have never been approved by the FDA in all that time. Curious, that.
You said there is no mechanism. I pointed out that there is one. Note that you didn't say that there was a mechanism but there is no evidence it occurs, and now you're backtracking.
The lack of evidence you're referring to is because people like you assume it's not possible so don't bother looking, rather than people who have looked and not found it.
RNA not DNA.
Ok, that's too much for just going through all at once, so forgive me for doing this piecemeal. I normally hate the small quote + reply format but whatever, it works here.
Accurate, but only in the same vein that saying Covid is objectively dangerous is also technically true. The point of anyone having an opinion on it is about how dangerous it is and whether the reactions to that danger are reasonable.
I don't have a fully encyclopedic knowledge of all vaccines, so maybe there's a faster one, but yeah, this hit emergency use approval hella fast, and in some ways was definitely helped weasel through the process. Specifically in the almost blatantly willful obstruction of already known treatments to make sure the need for the vaccine was seen as great enough to allow shortcuts like emergency use approval.
But it has by no means skipped all of the testing, the testing has been short but far more intense than any vaccine before trialed, with far more tests carried out in a short period than any normal vaccine trial has come close to. And as of yet I've yet to see any evidence that suggests results tampering hiding the true number of adverse effects. Long term effects remains a valid concern, but frankly I don't necessarily trust longer trials of any other pharmaceutical we already use to accurately portray all possible long term risks, they'll only ever catch the most glaring issues. Engaging with medicine in any fashion is agreeing to things that are "very probably safe" not "definitely safe". And given the sheer volume of vaccinated people and the lack of any evidence of any individual cases of results tampering, it's getting very probable that the serious side effect rates are pretty close to those that are already reported.
Again I haven't actually seen any blatant coverups yet, so either they're getting better at hiding them or there just aren't as many, and on the other hand I have seen a good number of cases where someone died and it was blamed on the vaccine in the media. There was a healthy UK news guy in his 40s who died just recently and they haven't been shy about saying he had an adverse reaction to the vaccine and died of blood clots. On the other hand I also haven't seen any of the blatant inflation in the other direction like people dying in car accidents and getting it blamed on having the coof, so the risks that are reported for the vaccines are also very likely real rather than overblown to some degree like half the covid risk reports.
That I just have to disagree with, it doesn't have to be an attenuated virus to be a vaccine, it just have to provide immunity. A vaccine administered purely for that purpose and as long as it actually serves that purpose it is a vaccine.
Also a hard disagree, they haven't shown any signs of altering DNA, nor is it part of their intended way of working. They introduce new strings of RNA into your cells, that should eventually be destroyed by entropy your cells' normal recycling functions. DNA and RNA are related and kind of look the same chemically, but they're like comparing engine oil and gasoline. They all go into the same engine, but you can't just switch one for the other, and your gas tank doesn't actually fill up with oil when you top up the sump. DNA is forever, but RNA is just that week in Vegas, and what happened in Vegas should stay in Vegas.
100% agree. But there's more than one answer to that question. In my mind it's just as likely a form of general obedience conditioning and shit testing for anyone with institutional power who still actually cares about personal liberty to weed them out, than it is a conspiracy to hide the dangers of the vaccine itself. That and a healthy dose of lining the pockets of their favourite pharmaceutical lobbyists.
That's definitely one of the lies they're pushing so they can keep using the coof scare for a bit longer. The vaccines seemingly do a pretty good job of reducing transmission or getting symptoms at all, not just reducing hospitalisation. Not better than naturally acquired immunity, but they've been lying about how well that generally works too.
The CDC literally stopped reporting breakthrough cases. We have no idea if the injections prevent infection or transmission.
Other places still are reporting though, Switzerland has reported cases up to 14th May so far. And I like them as a source because as a country it's been generally more skeptical of the covid vaccines than most, Swissmedic's not an easily tampered with third world trash agency, the population's generally more conservative, and at least from the outside they tend to keep quiet more about globalist bullshit than other Western countries. They do have an indirect financial interest in the Moderna vaccine though, so it's not perfect but I'll take it.
Anyway, Switzerland is reporting 130 breakthrough infections out of ~1,100,000 vaccinated individuals tracked in the last 5 months. They've mostly been only comprehensively vaccinating the elderly and high risk so far, and almost all of those who got still infected were aged 80+ or severely immunocompromised for other reasons. Those aren't numbers that say the vaccine doesn't work, those are numbers that say ~130 people in 1.1 million old and critically frail people have an immune system that sucks. Most of their 80+ demographic is vaccinated now, so that's less than 130 old codgers catching covid out of almost the whole population, which isn't bad at all. There's more teasing numbers to do before laying that firmly at the feet of vaccination, given we're leaving flu season and the covid had already swept through the elderly pretty well before the vaccines rolled out the rate should be dropping anyway, but it dropping that low isn't exactly a bad sign.
Actually, there is. The human genome is awash with retrotransposons that encode reverse transcriptase. Here is a preprint that convicinngly shows that SARS-Cov-2 RNA can be integrated into the human genome through reverse transcription via LINE-1 retrotransposons, and subsequently transcribed:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33330870/
There is no direct evidence the mRNA vaccines integrate by similar mechanisms, but it is clearly a distinct possiblity.
So you're pointing to the fact that mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades... and ignoring the fact that they have never been approved by the FDA in all that time. Curious, that.
You said there is no mechanism. I pointed out that there is one. Note that you didn't say that there was a mechanism but there is no evidence it occurs, and now you're backtracking.
The lack of evidence you're referring to is because people like you assume it's not possible so don't bother looking, rather than people who have looked and not found it.