Murray comes across as someone who hasn't bothered to do even a tiny bit of investigation of the claims about the totally fairest election ever in the history of elections.
And neither of them seemed interested in steel manning the people they were accusing of going down the "election fraud" rabbit hole. Or Trump himself.
Kind of disappointing because I generally like both of them and think that Peterson had/has the potential to be one of the most important figures in western philosophy of our time. Instead it just seemed like this was their opportunity to publicly denounce the bad orange man and the bad orange man supporters so that they can be on the Good team again.
I think you, and the person you were responding two are both incorrect.
I think both Murray and Peterson are major targets, and if they both stood up and swore the election was stolen, yeah, they wouldn't be around much longer. There's a very big push by the moderate people on both sides to go "Shhhhh we didn't start killing each other, pretend it's all normal and good, things are bad, but it's still normal and good and we're not strangling each other in the streets."
Both of them were quite good in what I've watched so far (about 40 minutes) and are accurately locating the problem without polarization - this is good, because normies will be able to understand it, and we're going to need their good will.
Murray comes across as someone who hasn't bothered to do even a tiny bit of investigation of the claims about the totally fairest election ever in the history of elections.
And neither of them seemed interested in steel manning the people they were accusing of going down the "election fraud" rabbit hole. Or Trump himself.
Kind of disappointing because I generally like both of them and think that Peterson had/has the potential to be one of the most important figures in western philosophy of our time. Instead it just seemed like this was their opportunity to publicly denounce the bad orange man and the bad orange man supporters so that they can be on the Good team again.
I think you, and the person you were responding two are both incorrect.
I think both Murray and Peterson are major targets, and if they both stood up and swore the election was stolen, yeah, they wouldn't be around much longer. There's a very big push by the moderate people on both sides to go "Shhhhh we didn't start killing each other, pretend it's all normal and good, things are bad, but it's still normal and good and we're not strangling each other in the streets."
Both of them were quite good in what I've watched so far (about 40 minutes) and are accurately locating the problem without polarization - this is good, because normies will be able to understand it, and we're going to need their good will.