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Why are there 2 KIAs?
posted 5 years ago by twentyonepepes 5 years ago by twentyonepepes +43 / -0

I know this must seem like a really a stupid question for those with the necessary background knowledge but I've been trying to figure it out for a while.

Update: I get it now! KIA2 is KIA with blackjack and hookers.

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– APDSmith 60 points 5 years ago +60 / -0

In the original KiA, mods lost a vote about making posting rules far more restrictive. The response to this was to ... disregard the vote and carry on as if the mods' preferred option had won. This lead to one of the quite active KiA posters resurrecting a sub he'd set aside when the david-me fiasco started, KiA2, which was intended to keep as close to the original rules as Reddit sitewide rules would allow.

I'm not actually banned from KiA but honestly, it's a sterile, dull place in comparison and very little there sparks any interest for me.

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– Kienan 42 points 5 years ago +42 / -0

In the original KiA, mods lost a vote about making posting rules far more restrictive.

That's a huge part of it, but it went beyond that. One other big issue was that the rules were inconsistently and ideologically applied. No one likes the mods' new rules, but then they weren't even applied sensibly. Very obviously on-topic things were deleted by the mods, because they disagreed politically. KiA1 became a "free speech" forum where we didn't have free speech. And if you complained, even politely, the mods lost their shit and actually called you names and worse. It became a very hostile place.

Another great illustration of the problems of KiA1 vs 2 is, KiA2 has 2-6 mods, KiA1 had like 20, or whatever. KiA1 is moderated by cultists.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 28 points 5 years ago +28 / -0

One other big issue was that the rules were inconsistently and ideologically applied

Also the outright hostility certain mods showed when interacting with regular posters who called them out on their double standards. To call the behavior "antagonistic" is an understatement.

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– Kingarthas2 22 points 5 years ago +22 / -0

And then the other mods would come in and circlejerk with them in the thread to boot.

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– Cyberguy64 11 points 5 years ago +11 / -0

It was kind of fun arguing with Shadist. His arguments never had any legs to stand on, but he'd act like he was right purely because he had the power. I'm shocked he never outright banned me for challenging him. I guess he was smart enough to realize martyring someone who has called out your ability to silence opposition wouldn't be a good look.

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– deleted 23 points 5 years ago +23 / -0
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– APDSmith 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

Agreed. That was the final recognition that KiA mods appeared to be of the opinion that they'd grown beyond the userbase.

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