Am bringing this up due to a discussion with a friend who was excited over Sarah Palin joining Newsmax. Reminding him that she was a neocon and had already subverted the tea party before was not enough due to his belief 'it is good for the party'. The fable of the scorpion and the frog was meant for the liberal mindset. While compassion and forgiveness are tenets of liberalism (not progressivism) and the western philosophy, it does not mean forgiving treachery. There is a delineation between supporting free speech, the need to have open dialogue, and allowing those that wish us harm to subvert our values. The current state of the west today is due to this exact conditions. The rift that created KIA2 is due to the same scorpion being offered passage time and time again. It is our burden to maintain the garden we have sown.
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McCain hated Palin. She may be a neocon, but she could be moved right if Romney and friends aren't there to act as a nucleus. We do need the republicuck infrastructure.
If Biden steals the election, we will be the least of the neocons' problems.
Why would they need grassroots support if they're fabricating votes on demand?
I honestly don't know much about the specifics of the example you cited (the only things I "know" about Palin I heard from the same media firms who've been lying through their teeth the past 5 years about Trump, which makes me wonder how true they are), but this is a good reminder for vigilance.
The comment section of a blog I sometimes read has what they call a Shill Test which the blog owner administers to people he suspects of being a paid shill. The idea is to force the individual to state an opinion which no-one posting on a computer monitored by HR would be allowed to state. They are allowed to disagree with that opinion, but they are required to state that opinion before providing an argument against it.
It is an elegant solution to people who are unable for some reason to engage with wrongthink (be that because they aren't paid to argue in good-faith or they have a mental block preventing them from being able to do so).
I'm so confused as to how that actually works. Surely they'd just lie about it?
One of the "Shill Tests" is the following question: "Should we make pornography illegal?"
This is a multiple choice test which requires you copy/paste one of the answers in, even if you disagree with the answer and later on provide an argument against it. I won't paste the answers in because I don't even know if this site allows it, but
The assumption is that no paid shill would be able to post a comment that would include text advocating for child rape, bestiality, or child pornography, blame Jews for something, or advocate for policies which existed in Nazi Germany because presumably the HR departments of the shill organizations (and the people monitoring the comments) wouldn't allow it.
(I'm not sure the second answer blaming Jews is very effective, because that's the sort of thing I would expect to read from someone who glows in the dark, but that is one of the answers they give).
It's hard to say it's 100% effective, but it catches a lot of people who have a tendency to not argue in good faith who also refuse to take the test.
Palin helped old Songbird run for President so...obviously she's trash.
Old Songbird is McCain?
Interesting how she was very much in the position that Harris is now.
That is true. He got that nickname for giving up intel to the Viet Cong.
Presumably she would have been a more tradcuck version of Harris' psychopathy.
She very much was, though her track record was more blase (to my recollection) than Harris. Lots of "what experience do you even have" over Harris' dirty, corrupt past.
But both were just women attachments to try and siphon voters.
Funny how Palin was raked and destroyed daily for that entire election over everything, including her downs kid and teen pregnant kid. While Harris being a woman gave her free pass from any criticism.
You need to get things done first, and then you can worry about ideological purity.
The point I got from it was not to compromise on places where compromise enables further destruction.
As in, not allowing the foot in the door at any point because that's just one step we lost regardless. There is no "common sense" gun law. There is no "exception" to free speech. Etc.
We do need to get things done regarding it, but giving that hope to people who are compromised along the way is how you get things like John McCain voting to save Obamacare before his death despite getting elected to remove it.
Agreed. People need to realize we must win the war first. Only then, can discussions on principles take place. Arguing about virtue while there are barbarians at the gates is a surefire way to end up in the dustbin of history. At which point everyone on the right will just be branded as a nazi anyways.
Define what this "community" is, seeing as we're now two degrees separated from the original KIA that most people probably found this place through. But trust me when I say that I'm more aware of people wanting to change the foundation of my beliefs pretty much anywhere. Somehow, I'm not really surprised when I see someone make a bitter turn in this world anymore.
On a side note that's somewhat related here. Fuck gamergate. I know that a lot of people joined here because of it, but I can't stand that movement anymore. It's honestly disgusting how desperate people were to avoid being labeled "Right-wing". And a big fuck you to anyone that considers yourselves liberals. You're cowards, and a cause of the majority of the west's ills. And your ignorance of social/political dealings before that movement is pure retardation.