But you did, the NYT disclosed it.
The air campaign in the North was a farce since beginning. They made a list of targets and decided to attack the most important ones last and the least important first, and made no-fire zones (the film Flight of the Intruder is based on this) just like they made free-fire zones in the South (and in Cambodia and Laos). They were also sending Phantoms to attack bridges with their 20 mm cannons and so on, they lost many aircraft on absolutely absurd missions. (They were also really bad at hitting the bridges, until the laser guided bombs came around eventually.)
Tet if you look into it included a lot of American local defeats. Many of them got overlooked, for example ironically the iconic and "misreported" embassy assualt might have killed like 2 Americans at the gate and that's about it (while the entire VC commando squad was then killed in the garden except one who was captured) but a responding column of the MPs in jeeps and trucks was ambushed on the way and just wasted. There's an aftermath video of it by the Marine cameraman (and you can now find it in YT in a perfect HD, along with lots of rare Vietnam videos, due to scanners combing public domain military archives) but at the time it didn't even make into the TV news at all.
There were fights in Vietnam that America definitely lost, and I don't mean patrol size engagements. Some even by the "K/D ratio", but many just generally because the war didn't turn out to be quite bodycount based as the strategy makers bet on it.
Russia is not marxist
It is Leninist.
Neo-Leninist, if you like. Weirdly syncretic with the cult of the Russian emperors whose last family Lenin had exterminated.
In that case I might add that meanwhile I found out there are also newer estimates that go even higher than the initial ones: https://apnews.com/article/Russia-ukraine-war-mariupol-theater-c321a196fbd568899841b506afcac7a1
And apparently there was no nuclear shelter there, contrary to early reports, just a regular basement and it didn't hold well.
The greatest Western betrayals were of the Republic of China and of the Empire of Iran, other major victims included Cuba when the American public and estabilishment alike threw their sympathy with Castro and passively aided his takeover by cutting all support to the government.
There was even major Western sympathy for the Bolsheviks, including the UK Labour strikes "in defense of Russia" ("hands off Russia!"), and later the French communists supporting the Soviets' Nazi friends until 1941, and of course the entire "pacifist" movement under the slogan to "not die for Danzig".
I thought I'd be challenged with a barrage of demands for "proofs" (and too late I've realized how Russia's own videos such the mentioned video of "Motorola making a show of personally firing an AGS-17/30 from inside one of these rare few apartment blocks that did get shelled in Donetsk city" would be hard to find, because they've been purged from YT lately) but it turned out literally unquestionable.
I've been caring greatly and watching it all the time for over 8 years and half.
I just wasn't sperging about it for all that almost-decade, unlike the people who suddenly care now without knowing anything and keep posting the most retarded takes about it.
You didn't misread, and also you didn't click the link in my comment.
Maybe you should consider to stop being a nigger.
And hey, you know what? I thought of something to show you in a very easy way.
Look at just any video here: https://youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Donetsk+military+parade
It's the many videos of various military parades held by Russian forces in Donetsk city over all these years.
It's military parades, but also attended by crowds of specifically pro-Russia civilians - and even by all the "separatist" leaders (military and otherwise). You seem to think they would surely go and shell then, right?
Or, for example, the funerals of slain Russian commanders, practically also military parades and with lots of civs and they do want to hit the civs, you apparently think so.
Well, you see, Ukrainian forces have held the suburbs like Piski and Avdiivka a few kilometers away (Piski especially just across Donetsk Airport), all that time. In fact, they still do!
Now ask yourself the following questions:
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Can you even imagine a more juicy target than that if someone wanted to hit just any remotely civilian target on purpose?
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Why are they never being shelled?
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Why are they not at all even afraid of being shelled (or otherwise attacked, like hit with a ballistic missile)?
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Why none of the buildings ever bear any damage from shelling on any other date?
If you need a visual reference, this is how a city in Ukraine looks like after just few weeks (not "years") of shelling: https://youtu.be/MDVLmOVDaOY
Then go and call whoever have lied to you so much a niggerfaggot, which they are.
Actually just the first link is all I need. Just show me which one of these paragraphs did you so creatively and also very specifically interpret as "several days of Ukrainian forces shelling civilian targets":
In Donetsk region, between the evenings of 11 and 13 February, the Mission recorded 261 ceasefire violations, including 50 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 114 ceasefire violations in the region.
In Luhansk region, between the evenings of 11 and 13 February, the SMM recorded 114 ceasefire violations, including 24 explosions. In the previous reporting period, it recorded 258 ceasefire violations in the region.
Small-arms fire was assessed as directed at an SMM mini-unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) in non-government-controlled Kalmiuske, Donetsk region.*
The Mission continued monitoring the disengagement areas near Stanytsia Luhanska, Zolote and Petrivske.
The SMM monitored the operation and repair of critical civilian infrastructure.
The Mission continued following up on the situation of civilians, including at five entry-exit checkpoints and four corresponding checkpoints of the armed formations in Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
The SMM monitored the security situation in east and south-east Kherson region.
The Mission’s freedom of movement continued to be restricted, including at a checkpoint of the armed formations near Kreminets in Luhansk region. Its UAVs again encountered instances of GPS signal interference, assessed as caused by probable jamming and jamming.*
No, you didn't. I clicked the first link, which was about incidents between soldiers (and in one case Russian forces firing on an UAV of the ceasefire observers and also jamming them) and nothing about any "Ukrainian forces shelling civilian targets" whatsoever. Should I click the second one? Or was it in the third? Each one(s), exactly?
Russia first opened fire in March of 2014, which is also when they killed the first Ukrainian soldier (naval officer taken prisoner and then murdered in Crimea with gunshot wounds) and the first civilians too (multiple Tatar activists disappeared and later found dead or not found at all). Then beginning in April of 2014 they killed thousands of Ukrainians in the east of the country before February 2022, but almost all of them also before March 2015.
They also killed three hundred of mostly Dutch foreign civilians. In just one day.
Less than 1,000 people (almost all of them soldiers) on both sides died 2016-2022. That's 6 full years, with usually just no one at all dying on any given day, and every year it was less than in the year prior.
Since February 24 the same hundreds of people is a daily death toll, every single day, and with a whole lot more civilians between them. Many of whom are being deliberately murdered.
You can count all the civilians killed by any sort of active hostilities in the entire 2021 on your hands (if not just 1 hand) and that's all those killed on both sides and by both sides. Similar for 2020, 2019, 2018, and each of these years it was significantly fewer and fewer since the would-be final ceasefire had began back in February 2015. (Which was after several thousand died, in less than 1 year and not any "years".) And 2017 and 2016 and even 2015 too for that matter, each year less and less of any sort of conflict since 2014.
By 2021, when Putin decided to attack, practically all was happening was soldiers on both sides occasionally sniping each other in their respective trenches. Including Putin's very own FSB snipers: https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1258711127166509058
Then I actually reopened https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512092 and I'm really confused what did you want me to prove with the exchanges of fire with Russia's forces already in Ukraine, who were originally scheduled to attack just days later on 16 but then delayed to 24.
And just whatever did you think it had to do with "repeatedly shelling civilian targets for years". Because there was nothing to do with any civilians.
The Mission monitored the operation and repair of critical civilian infrastructure.
The SMM continued to follow up on the situation for civilians, including at entry-exit checkpoints and corresponding checkpoints of the armed formations in Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
Or maybe did you actually mean this? Very strange.
Clicked the very first one and instantly saw "2022", after which I closed the tab. Maybe you got confused somehow, but I asked regarding your claims of "repeatedly shelling civilian targets for years [sic]" during all these years between 2018 and 2022. The Russian preparation for the invasion began full scale in 2021 (the Zapad "exercises" that didn't end), when I've been following it live.
To help you, here's for example the last months of 2021, when Russia was preparing for the full scale war over the lies that you just repeated:
December 2021
From 1 to 31 December 2021, Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded six civilian casualties: one killed (a woman) and five injured (all men). One man was injured by light weapons fire in territory controlled by the self-proclaimed ‘Donetsk people’s republic’, one man was injured by an anti-personnel mine in Government-controlled part of Donetsk region, one woman was killed and two men were injured as a result of ERW handling in Government-controlled part of Donetsk region, and one man was injured as a result of ERW handling in territory controlled by the self-proclaimed ‘Luhansk people’s republic’.
November 2021
From 1 to 30 November 2021, OHCHR recorded four civilian casualties (all injured): two men and two women. All of them were caused by active hostilities (shelling and SALW fire): one in territory controlled by the self-proclaimed ‘Donetsk people’s republic’, one in territory controlled by the self-proclaimed ‘Luhansk people’s republic’, one in Government-controlled part of Donetsk region, and one in Government-controlled part of Luhansk region.
Total civilian casualties in 2021
The total number of civilian casualties recorded by OHCHR in 2021 has totaled 110: 25 killed (16 men, two women, three boys, one girl and three adults whose sex is not yet known) and 85 injured (56 men, 21 women, six boys and two girls), a 26.2 per cent decrease compared with 2020 (149: 26 killed and 123 injured), and the lowest annual civilian casualties for the entire conflict period.
https://ukraine.un.org/en/168060-conflict-related-civilian-casualties-ukraine
I say you should stop listening to whoever lied to you, and perhaps tell them they're faggots.
Can you give me some exact dates and places of when and where did they "repeatedly shell civilian targets for years [sic]" during the period of his entire presidency until 2022, the period when practically no civilians died in active hostilities?
(A few died and more were injured, almost all from old unexploded munitions and mines. On both sides of the line of contact.)
Also, what were these mysterious "neighbouring regions".
Also to speak about "hatred of Russians", some words from Kiva himself before he turned a commie (and then became a genocidal Russian):
I will force my son, I will raise him, and I will force him to raise his children ... in hatred for this Russian "nation". Because for me this is a plague!
https://twitter.com/Lastkombo/status/1559272618993373191
He started out in Right Sector, you see. From a far rightoid to an actual Leninist, many such cases as evident also over here. You guys may have really strange sympathies, but Kiva's own journey makes it nothing out of ordinary.
And also to speak of Poland, Kiva also wants you to believe Poland and Ukraine conspire for Poland to annex western Ukraine, prompting our gov to officially speak out about it:
https://www.gov.pl/web/special-services/the-lies-of-russian-propaganda
Your trusted "the hard left" comrade fled to Russia as a traitor and also urged (on Telegram) Putin to literally nuke Ukraine, while Zelensky refused the American airflift to Poland and presided over the victory in the battle of the capital (which didn't involve a "preempetive strike with weapons of mass destruction", to Comrade Kiva's great disappointment).
These are the pictures Kiva takes of himself and/or shares: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/19/10/56781089-0-image-a-22_1650361665623.jpg
Protestant scum anyway.
It was actually when she went into a public spat with "Zoe Quinn" during GG.
And the American media presented it as "look, DRUMPF is so stupid that even foreign officials snicker and make silly faces while looking at each other when he speaks to them in public".
It's just something said randomly by a literal communist (from the successor party to the Ukrainian chapter of the Soviet Communist Party, after the latter was banned following the failed KGB coup in 1991) traitor who's defected to Russia.
It's always interesting to see the supposed rightoids of KIA2 to have very strange sympathies and loyalties. I have no doubt they will support the CCP once the war over Taiwan begins, too.
In fact as I just check out the NYT even seems to have had more articles about than about the recent drone strike that wasted Zawahiri in Haqqani's house. There are like at least 4 different articles just about the footage of it that they got in January. And it was just a random family (they also have articles about the surviving family members).