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posted 5 years ago by xAzureAceStarburstx 5 years ago by xAzureAceStarburstx +56 / -0
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– exilde 16 points 5 years ago +16 / -0

Not really. Most germans were sick of Jewish bullshit, and fully supported the Nazi regime. Germany itself was authoritarian. That's why the Gestapo only had 7k members at its peak.

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– Gizortnik 18 points 5 years ago +18 / -0

No, most Germans were sick of Communists, and I'm willing to bet you're going to tell me there isn't a difference. Most Germans were also not pro-Nazi, that's why they voted Hindenburg. Many Germans trusted the militarists of which the Nazis had stopped really being part of because of Hitler's personality cult.

The Fabian Socialist government had begun shifting rightwards and appeasing the NSDAP because they thought that they could control them, along with the military, and resist further Communist insurrections and rebellions.

But, it turns out you can't trust Socialists in any form, whether Fabian, National, or Revolutionary.

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– exilde 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

No, German anti-semitism saw a sharp increase towards the end WW1, and the subsequent color revolution in 19-20 had a lot of Jewish/Commie overlap, furthering that weariness. Hitler and the NSDAP were products of this time. German anti-semitism had very deep roots.

While you're correct that the NSDAP didn't come into power with overwhelming support, they quickly secured it through their robust social welfare programs and pogroms.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

They never secured overwhelming support, they didn't even secure majority support. The best the outlook Germans had on the Nazis was immediately after France fell: "Apparently the Nazis know how to win wars, and the economy looks okay!" Neither was true.

Their Social Welfare programs were fucking insane, and tied directly to absolute party loyalty. When you've got girls coming home from Hitler Youth camps pregnant claiming Adolf Hitler is the father of the baby because it is a baby for Germany, and that Adolf Hitler will take care of the child (meaning the German welfare state), that's going to freak people the hell out. The insane propagandizing of every aspect of society being governed by ridiculous Nazi virtue signaling every second may have improved some support, but it would also polarize the rest of the country, even if it were silent.

The pogroms were even more unpopular as it genuinely stoked blowback against the government and sympathy for Jews, despite relentless anti-jewish propaganda. The fact that German Jews of mixed ancestry were also being relentlessly targeted as part of Nazi racial laws did not help. This is why the Nazis had to repeatedly lie about the actions taken against Jews. In many typical ethnic cleansings & genocides, the population participates in the extermination due to the radicalization of the population being fully successful. The Rawandan genocide was never hidden for a moment (it was actually disseminated by mass media in the country), and and the Indonesian genocide against the Chinese was also completely transparent. In many cases, ethnic cleansings are popular (at least locally if not nationally). Even in the United States. This was not the case in Germany as the Nazis had to claim that Kristallnacht wasn't even from their direction, but was a kind of 'grass-roots uprising'.

He basically argued the same thing a leftist today would use on CNN: 'This was just a righteous expression of communal anger, I'm not endorsing the riots... I'm just saying that this is the inevitable result of oppression.'

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– exilde 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

They never secured overwhelming support, they didn't even secure majority support.

A myth to help rehabilitate and reintegrate Germany after WW2. The reality was, German lives improved immensely under Nazi rule. Most modern European welfare programs are modeled on the Nazi welfare state. Germans were also quite fond of the exotic plundered goods that were routinely distributed to them. Granted, eventually they were going to run out of nations and Jews to plunder, so it was a completely unsustainable system, but those who lived through it seem to have remembered it fondly, as long as they weren't Jews. Summer camp for kids, free healthcare, guaranteed jobs, national pride. It was paradise after the post-Weimar/Depression hell they'd just been through.

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– Wizardslayer 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

Germany was/is used to authority. The concept of democracy and freedom didn't naturally occur there and is anathema to the german mindset. Democracy was forced down their throats twice. And you can still see it today in that there is very little actual resistance to anything the government does because "the government is the law"

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