As everyone has heard by now, an F-15E was shot down last week in Iran. The E model is a two-seater, and both crewmembers ejected. The US immediately launched a massive recovery operation. One of the supporting A-10s was subsequently shot down and had to ditch in the Persian Gulf. One (or two) C-130s broke down at an improvised landing strip in Iran and had to be destroyed. We may find out about other losses as well.
The first lost crewmember was rescued in about a day and the other was just rescued last night after a prolonged firefight with Iranian IRGC, paramilitary forces, and civilians looking for a bounty. Here are some points:
- Prima facie, the shootdown proves that Iranian air defense is not totally dead yet, contra Trump's ill-timed claim last week. The current thinking is that they have abandoned whatever radar-guided SAMs they have left and are exclusively using heat-seeking SAMs.
- At the same time, the American response proves that Iranian air defense is spotty at best. In the recovery operation, American helicopters and C-130s, which are far more vulnerable to SAMs, were flying low over the crash area constantly in broad daylight.
- There is also a threat from Iranian MANPADs (shoulder-fired SAMs). Those would have shot down the helicopters, so it seems that the Iranians are being very choosy as to where they deploy their resources.
- American special forces landed in Iranian territory, got to the pilots first, and fought off a huge force of IRGC and paramilitaries to successfully accomplish their mission. America still has the edge in a ground engagement, especially at night.
- A decent number of civilians in the area were apparently motivated to capture the pilot, and the claim is that the Iranian government had to lie to them that the pilot was captured elsewhere in order to calm the crowd. This detracts from the claim that the Iranian people are itching to overthrow the regime. I am not sure exactly what ethnicity lives in that area.
- The first shootdowns of American aircraft are noteworthy, but they are not exactly out of the norm. Even when the US steamrolled Iraq in Desert Storm 1991, about 30-40+ aircraft and helicopters were lost to enemy fire.
- At the same time, the shootdowns prove that Iran is resilient and not ready to roll over. They have survived the shock and awe and are adjusting their tactics.
So in summary, we the goyim are still really good at waging war, but Iran continues to survive and make the war costly. This is still looking like a possible spreadsheet defeat for the US as we continue to rack up expensive losses of equipment and ammunition.
At the same time, Iran is a civilized country that depends on complex infrastructure, and they won't be able to defend or absorb the powerplant and oil strikes that Trump is threatening. They will, however, be able to bring down a lot of the Gulf with them.
"The US Army’s so-called rescue operation, which was planned in the form of a deceive and immediate escape operation under the pretext of rescuing the pilot of its downed aircraft in an abandoned airport in southern Isfahan, was brought to a complete failure by the timing presence of the Iranian armed forces,” Lieutenant-Colonel Ebrahim Zolfaqari said on Sunday."
They literally said "brought to a complete failure".
Stop misleading people. Read.
I'll break it down for you in caveman speak:
Helicopter can fly. Helicopter fast. Foot soldier and car not fast, no fly. Fly in mountainous terrain = good.
Never admitted anything, I presented it as one possible scenario out of two.
"How come Iranian's can't use GPS which is owned by the US Military???"
Yeah, AKA bullshit. If they had killed or captured the crew, they would've said that. Why are you only good at filtering propaganda from ZOG?
The helicopters are flying in from outside Iran's borders through an air defense network. Man, you are retarded lol
Oh yeah btw, GPS is a one-way technology. You can't transmit your location info to a GPS satellite.
Why would they? There is no guarantee they'd say that, that is your assumption, don't pass it off as fact.
Maybe they don't want to gloat about killing a downed pilot because that makes them seem like the "bad guys". You don't know what their propaganda goals are.
Because Zognald and his crew have been openly lying to us for fucking months now? Are you serious dude?
How many times have we declared "victory" in this "special operation" that was only supposed to last 2 days? I just saw a clip of zoggy saying "regime change was never our goal" LOL, okay sure.
The man cannot say a single sentence without it being a lie. And you're questioning why somebody wouldn't trust them?
If so, the Iranian story of them shooting down both helis and the rescue being a "complete failure" is likely correct.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt by assuming the pilot was rescued, like I mentioned earlier. But you're trying to make it seem like it's my assertion. Argue in good faith, stop spreading lies.
Stop playing technology semantics and just admit you lost the argument.
The point is, the pilot has a personal locator beacon and it transmits his location in a encrypted manner to the rescuers. Iran cannot intercept that unless they have way stronger SIGINT than we know about.
Hahahahaha, that's the opening line of your post. Pick up wherever you dropped your brain cells, buddy.
Thanks for making it clear you've lost the argument.