Tucker posed this hypothetical: "What if there was a candidate who wanted to put the owners of Mindgeek [Pornhub's parent company] in prison? Would younger Americans support that?" Nick's answer was yes.
Almost everyone here has agreed at this point that age verification laws are meant to be an attack on the freedom of the internet, and that any effect on porn is beside the point. But for people who actually support the stated intent of the laws, it seems like legislating against the porn suppliers may be a way to effectively attack the industry without opening up another avenue of control.
What would this look like? In my opinion, fines and jail time for producers in the US and foreign websites that allow access to the US. As we've seen with social media in Europe, government pressure is enough to make companies change course.
The natural objection is that a VPN is really easy to use. That's true, but it's a barrier that would most likely severely curtail the usage of porn in pubescent children. The effect still might be substantial on adults as well. Also, it would effectively destroy the Onlyfans market since only a few determined women are going to jump through hoops to do illegal amateur porn for some company in Bulgaria.
Another objection I've seen is that women are the root cause of the breakdown of relationships, and that men need an outlet in porn to cope with that. The first part is obviously true but I don't think the second part follows. If massive numbers of young men are coping with the feminization of society through porn, that means it's a control mechanism to prevent them from getting angry enough to revolt. If we're going to make any progress against women's rights, men need to feel an acute sense of what they are missing.
There is also the possibility of knock-on effects on anime, movies, TV, etc. The only thing I really care about there is anime, but I think the collateral damage could be effectively controlled.
Here's another issue to consider. If you ban your women from engaging in whoring/prostitution in the age of the digital world, you're reducing foreign capital flowing into your country and likely leading to the flow of capital to other countries.
Why not have White women be the greatest whores in the world and use this to extract as many resources from non-White simps worldwide? Get all the rich Chinese, Indians, Saudi guys to simp for White women on OF. The OF girls get the money domestically and then spend it here in the country, thus improving our total resources by extracting resources from non-White simps? Because if we ban our women from doing it, you can bet our men will still find a way to give money to Asian/jewish whores online and someone else will benefit from it.
Since whores always exist, we shouldn't be trying to have a 1:1 ratio of monogamy for all men and women with everyone having kids. That's not ideal. Many men and women shouldn't be having kids and maybe that's 15% of the population (what your estimate is at for these girls, which seems about right to me). The 80/20 general rule probably holds here.
Anyway, I think at the end of the day we have a lot of average men and women who are frustrated at their outcomes for the opposite sex and blame porn as the reason why they aren't getting what they want. I don't think porn is really the issue...
But you may be right about porn needing to be banned simply so the scapegoat can go away and people will be forced to realize the reason they don't have a hot man or woman chasing after them has nothing to do with porn.
The idea that if we didn't have porn, men would be forced to lower their expectations for women is absurd. We still have the internet. Men know what women are capable of and how they treat men they're into. Average guys are tired of being treated like shit by average women and want to be treated the same way these women treat hot men. Banning porn won't lead to men becoming horny desperate simps looking to marry a bitch just so he can have sex because he's so desperate. Guys will just use their imagination or grab a fashion magazine like they used to do. Guys aren't going to put up with women's shit anymore in the future just because porn is banned. That shipped sailed long ago and not because of porn but because dating apps and information exchange grew thanks to the internet. Men have observed the truth and aren't confined to their small town and unrealistic civialrous standards to shame men into doing his "duty" to support bitchy/ugly women. Banning porn won't change a thing.
That's a pretty funny thought, but it's kind of what's happening already, and it sucks. I could see a scenario where it might even be favorable for Onlyfans to be a majority Chinese/Korean/Israeli operation (it's already fundamentally Israeli). The 80/20 rule is also for the most desirable men, not the most damaged women.
It is an absurd idea, and to be very clear about what I mean, the problem is not male expectations. Almost 100% of the current situation is that men can't fulfill female expectations to be both stable providers and roguish werewolf rapists at the same time, or compete with hundreds of guaranteed matches on dating apps. Or that the current dating app culture is basically the same thing as a job interview, complete with sterile HR language, and has explicitly been compared as such by women who have convinced themselves they are the new masters of the universe because the government mandated that they get useless high-paying jobs to accomplish basically nothing.
Basically women have irrational standards that men cannot meet, but they're women so they won't understand that without an intervention.
Banning porn is not to recalibrate male expectations. It's to take away the substitute for getting a woman, which is porn. With no women and no porn there will be a large class of angry, seething men that will want to overthrow the system. Pretty chaotic, but historically speaking the actions of angry young men is the consequence for society treating them like garbage, and the longer that is prevented with basically free heroin (porn) the worse it will get.