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Reports from israeli concentration camps detail torture methods similar to Abu Gharib prison (twitter.com)
posted 335 days ago by theaustrianpainter 335 days ago by theaustrianpainter +42 / -0
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– Hugs 10 points 335 days ago +10 / -0

Apologies if this is a really obvious thought, but... I really don't like not knowing how true this is or how true Israel's claims are. There must be some truth to at least some of one party's claims, but the information war has been so obfuscated that it's impossible to be properly educated on the subject. We hear about the I/P conflict endlessly, and every time I do, I end up unsatisfied and frustrated on not being able to land on who's right or wrong or what's even remotely true.

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– 5Cats 10 points 335 days ago +10 / -0

There must be some truth to at least some of one party's claims

There's your first mistake!
There was NO "truth" in the Russiagate files. None. Every bit of it was faked by Hillary's boys. They'd done it before! The exact same thing: made a "dossier" of crimes, fed it to a willing press & the candidate was forced to drop out.

Nothing Hamas says is true. They have lied about everything for the entire time they (and the PLO before them) have existed. Why? Because Allah told them to. It is not a sin to lie to infidels, or to rape them, or to kill them, especially the Jews. It is required to bring about the 12th Caliphate & usher in the leader who will unite Islam under his (not hers, not theirs!) banner and subjugate the entire planet.
If Allah tells you to do it? You do it "with gusto!"

Just one example: Hospital bombed by IDF helicopter (or jet bomber, or missile, the story was ever evolving, eh?) in the middle of the night and 500 killed! An entire wing destroyed! They printed the names the next day, it must be true!

Reality: a mis-fire from a Hamas group's rocket barrage fell on the hospital parking lot. It was live-streamed by Al-Jazeera! There was a tiny "crater" and a few burned cars, that was it, it didn't even break any windows of the hospital. If anyone was killed it was because they were in the lot watching the rockets being launched & praising Allah for it.
& etc.

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– Hugs 1 point 335 days ago +1 / -0

That's what I'm saying, though. Both parties call each other liars and that must be true at least some of the time.

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– 5Cats 1 point 335 days ago +1 / -0

In this specific case though, one side ALWAYS provably lies. Hamas never tells the truth, nor do the AP stooges or other Western Media.
At least the IDF does most of the time, and sometimes there's lies due to there being a war on and they're protecting important things. Are they 100%? Of course not. But they usually back up their statements with hard facts.

Hamas: there's a famine! The IDF are starving the people! They refuse to allow relief trucks into Gaza!
IDF: there is no famine, if people are starving it's because Hamas is stealing the UN trucks (provides multiple video proof) which is why the UN is demanding the IDF escort them. The UN had many thousands of tons of food INSIDE Gaza (provides video proof) but won't deliver it. Also, the IDF lets lots of truck into Gaza (provides proof) but refuses to allow Hamas to hijack them.

This is a case where there is no 'equivalence' none at all. One is a probable 80% truthful and the other is 0.00%.

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