They're stuck in the rather unpleasant position of defending the largely indefensible.
In that debate - and I'm extrapolating somewhat, not quoting verbatim, to be clear - Doug acknowledged "insurgent math," acknowledged you're not going to "wipe out Hamas" in any meaningful way (if you did manage it, first thing the survivors do is start Hamas 2.0, because they're pissed you slaughtered their loved ones), acknowledged that women and children are being knowingly killed and, most damningly, acknowledged that some wars are waged for "revenge." That one is verbatim, although it was about Afghanistan. Which he still defends...
So, by their own pro-war argument, you're basically saying they're fine with killing women and children and they know it will happen, it's revenge, it's pointless and won't accomplish their stated goals, but you need to do it anyway. And their defense is technicalities. It's not murder when the government does it!
Who cares? It's pointless and monstrous. They can call it whatever they want.
Also, they're being obtuse. Dave, as he points out, didn't say it was murder, he said it would be considered murder if you or I did the exact same thing, under similar circumstances, for the same reasons. His point was drawing the parallel, not stating that it was murder.
These people have no argument. Hell, Doug was demanding Rogan have on more pro-war guests. He's a nasty and insufferable person.
They're stuck in the rather unpleasant position of defending the largely indefensible.
In that debate - and I'm extrapolating somewhat, not quoting verbatim, to be clear - Doug acknowledged "insurgent math," acknowledged you're not going to "wipe out Hamas" in any meaningful way (if you did manage it, first thing the survivors do is start Hamas 2.0, because they're pissed you slaughtered their loved ones), acknowledged that women and children are being knowingly killed and, most damningly, acknowledged that some wars are waged for "revenge." That one is verbatim, although it was about Afghanistan. Which he still defends...
So, by their own pro-war argument, you're basically saying they're fine with killing women and children and they know it will happen, it's revenge, it's pointless and won't accomplish their stated goals, but you need to do it anyway. And their defense is technicalities. It's not murder when the government does it!
Who cares? It's pointless and monstrous. They can call it whatever they want.
Also, they're being obtuse. Dave, as he points out, didn't say it was murder, he said it would be considered murder if you or I did the exact same thing, under similar circumstances, for the same reasons. His point was drawing the parallel, not stating that it was murder.
These people have no argument. Hell, Doug was demanding Rogan have on more pro-war guests. He's a nasty and insufferable person.