My entire opinion on him has changed in the last hour, and it's all by his own pen. What a cunt. Hey maybe he can champion an anti-semitism vaccine along with the MMR he loves so much now, since it's the greatest health threat humanity faces.
It's okay because this one will be a traditional vaccine with deactivated nazism in it rather that Zionist protein-printing instructions. You know you can trust whatever the establishment puts out next because Uncle Bobby's backing it.
I knew personally that RFK Jr was a raging Zionist when he did an appearance on The Jimmy Dore Show about 18 months back when he was still running as a Democrat in the primary IIRC.
They talked about the COVID jab and all that good stuff, but then the conversation turned to Israel and Oct 7th.
Dore himself is pretty pro-Palestine and chums around with leftist pro-Palestine types like Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal.
The interview shifted to Israel and RFK started into all the "Israel in the world's most moral army" agitprop. He talked about how the IDF was reducing civilian casualties by warning civilians to evacuate with some sort of "door knocker" roof bombs before actually levelling everything to the ground.
He also made claims that the Israeli courts were less corrupt and more just than the American ones because their judiciary and laws respect the minority rights of their Arab subpopulation better than the US equivalents do.
Dore caught a lot of heat from the more left-leaning side of his audience for not pushing back more. During the interview, Dore admitted that he wasn't well-versed enough to push back on some of RFK's most bombastic claims, so he asked if RFK would return for a debate with Max Blumenthal of The Gray Zone. Which RFK agreed to, but never returned.
I remember being really shocked at the time that RFK Jr was such a rabid Zionist when most of his other ideologies seem more in tune with both the old classical liberals and the dissident right.
But it certainly explains why it was so easy for him to drop his Independent Presidential campaign run to join the rest of the usual MAGA & Republican Zio shills.
Edit: I think this is the clip that opened my eyes. It's RFK in Jimmy's studio Aug 2023.
I've known he's a rabid zionist for a good while, I just figured it was a fixation of his that would have a low chance of interfering with his remit in HHS. I didn't realise he would, as one of his first actions as secretary, announce that anti-semitism has 'lethalities comparable to history’s most deadly plagues' lmao. Good to see he's focused on the real health issues of the day... measles and anti-semites!
More fool me, clown world always has more surprises.
a debate with Max Blumenthal of The Gray Zone. Which RFK agreed to, but never returned.
It's difficult to imagine he ever would have gone along with that. Blumenthal eloquently and reasonably lays out the theories and evidence that Oct 7th was mostly IDF killing of Israelis - in a way that really should be better understood by the mainstream, since Blumenthal himself is relatively mainstream as alternative voices go, hence Jimmy bringing him up. All other opinions on Israel aside, RFK would lose that debate on Oct 7 alone and the establishment would have torched him for legitimising nazi conspiracy theories. As if attacking vaxx orthodoxy wasn't bad enough... but he's apparently stopped doing that now and vaccines which he once highlighted as a danger to child health are now 'crucial' in stopping relatively benign childhood illness.
They [RFK and Dore] talked about the COVID jab and all that good stuff, but then the conversation turned to Israel and Oct 7th.
Same exact thing happened with Dave Smith. Dave had RFK on, and it got super fucking heated throughout the entire episode, as RFK tried to justify everything Israel was doing...to Dave fucking Smith. It was a glorious trainwreck. Dave loved RFK before the massive Zionism got obvious, so it was a pretty big blowup.
It will be interesting to see what Dave Smith has to say about RFK's behavior today.
Read the op-ed, if you haven't. It's not quite that clear cut. I'm still very critical of it, since he's obviously shifting his tone, but it's not as pro MMR as the headline leads you to believe. He's still talking therapeutics, vitamins, and the like. Still a disappointing change, but not as one-note as it looks at first.
ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.: Measles outbreak is call to action for all of us
MMR vaccine is crucial to avoiding potentially deadly disease
This is the actual headline and sub-headline. In the second most visible line in the article he tells a lie (multiple lies actually; MMR vaccine is dangerous, not crucial, and 'potentially deadly' is weasel words which misleads people to the degree of lethality) and sells down the river all the parents who have spoken to him over the years, telling him how the vaccine schedule has affected their kids. Many of these parents (such as those from the Vaxxed and Vaxxed 2 docus) will have been talking about MMR specifically, and elsewhere he has claimed that this experience of talking to them is what sent him down the whole health route in the first place. It's a complete sellout.
Nothing else matters really but the first para starts continuing the lie, that there's a current outbreak which has killed a child, which is almost certainly not true. There is nothing of merit at all in the op-ed other than a signal being raised by RFK to prove that he is the establishment's man and to call off whatever pressure they have on him behind the scenes.
Nah. I just think it's important to keep things in perspective.
This has been incredibly disappointing from RFK, and I am incredibly annoyed with how he's acting. My point is just the MMR stuff isn't as bad as the headline makes it out. He's still a snake, and the headline is obvious intentional. In the other thread I still call him out for advocating for the vaccine, which he is definitely doing.
I literally can't think of any single act RFK could take that would undermine everything he's ever stood for, other than advocate the MMR vaccine as he does in that piece. One could say well maybe advocating the covid jab would be worse - but actually RFK Jr. got where he was by being a vaccine critic BEFORE covid. There are plenty of covid shills around, so sounding like one of them would simply mean that he's just another interchangeable shill. But actually advocating one of the vaccines he's been against in the past actually goes one further and removes any meaning to RFK being RFK.
There's a kind of reputation-laundering action going on with RFK, ever since it became clear that Trump might successfully shuttle him into HHS. There are deep state types and now other commenters who want to sum him up as 'well he's against insufficiently tested vaccines, not all vaccines'. The fact is that 'insufficiently tested vaccines' IS all vaccines. The dissident health movement which has been using RFK as something of a flagbearer has consistently pointed to the superior health of unvaccinated children in all metrics. RFK suddenly warning against staying unvaccinated is not just some single wrong note, it's an entire concerto getting switched from major to minor key.
Doesn't bother me, because fuck needing validating voices in politics, but this man seems to be a kind of controlled opp demoralisation bomb, and people should ditch any lingering illusions fast.
Well I like to think I never picked him up so I don't need to put him down now. To use the same metaphor, I was hoping he was a snake who bites its own handler. Putting vaxx-sceptic sentiment at the head of HHS really would be a risky thing for the establishment to do to itself, if that alone was genuine on his part. Looks more like he's been safely de-fanged though.
My entire opinion on him has changed in the last hour, and it's all by his own pen. What a cunt. Hey maybe he can champion an anti-semitism vaccine along with the MMR he loves so much now, since it's the greatest health threat humanity faces.
It's okay because this one will be a traditional vaccine with deactivated nazism in it rather that Zionist protein-printing instructions. You know you can trust whatever the establishment puts out next because Uncle Bobby's backing it.
I knew personally that RFK Jr was a raging Zionist when he did an appearance on The Jimmy Dore Show about 18 months back when he was still running as a Democrat in the primary IIRC.
They talked about the COVID jab and all that good stuff, but then the conversation turned to Israel and Oct 7th.
Dore himself is pretty pro-Palestine and chums around with leftist pro-Palestine types like Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal.
The interview shifted to Israel and RFK started into all the "Israel in the world's most moral army" agitprop. He talked about how the IDF was reducing civilian casualties by warning civilians to evacuate with some sort of "door knocker" roof bombs before actually levelling everything to the ground.
He also made claims that the Israeli courts were less corrupt and more just than the American ones because their judiciary and laws respect the minority rights of their Arab subpopulation better than the US equivalents do.
Dore caught a lot of heat from the more left-leaning side of his audience for not pushing back more. During the interview, Dore admitted that he wasn't well-versed enough to push back on some of RFK's most bombastic claims, so he asked if RFK would return for a debate with Max Blumenthal of The Gray Zone. Which RFK agreed to, but never returned.
I remember being really shocked at the time that RFK Jr was such a rabid Zionist when most of his other ideologies seem more in tune with both the old classical liberals and the dissident right.
But it certainly explains why it was so easy for him to drop his Independent Presidential campaign run to join the rest of the usual MAGA & Republican Zio shills.
Edit: I think this is the clip that opened my eyes. It's RFK in Jimmy's studio Aug 2023.
I've known he's a rabid zionist for a good while, I just figured it was a fixation of his that would have a low chance of interfering with his remit in HHS. I didn't realise he would, as one of his first actions as secretary, announce that anti-semitism has 'lethalities comparable to history’s most deadly plagues' lmao. Good to see he's focused on the real health issues of the day... measles and anti-semites!
More fool me, clown world always has more surprises.
It's difficult to imagine he ever would have gone along with that. Blumenthal eloquently and reasonably lays out the theories and evidence that Oct 7th was mostly IDF killing of Israelis - in a way that really should be better understood by the mainstream, since Blumenthal himself is relatively mainstream as alternative voices go, hence Jimmy bringing him up. All other opinions on Israel aside, RFK would lose that debate on Oct 7 alone and the establishment would have torched him for legitimising nazi conspiracy theories. As if attacking vaxx orthodoxy wasn't bad enough... but he's apparently stopped doing that now and vaccines which he once highlighted as a danger to child health are now 'crucial' in stopping relatively benign childhood illness.
Rabbi Shmuley and RFK. "God bless Israel. I'm going to be a champion for Israel as president."
"The Palestinian people are arguably the most pampered people..."
Same exact thing happened with Dave Smith. Dave had RFK on, and it got super fucking heated throughout the entire episode, as RFK tried to justify everything Israel was doing...to Dave fucking Smith. It was a glorious trainwreck. Dave loved RFK before the massive Zionism got obvious, so it was a pretty big blowup.
It will be interesting to see what Dave Smith has to say about RFK's behavior today.
Read the op-ed, if you haven't. It's not quite that clear cut. I'm still very critical of it, since he's obviously shifting his tone, but it's not as pro MMR as the headline leads you to believe. He's still talking therapeutics, vitamins, and the like. Still a disappointing change, but not as one-note as it looks at first.
You're in cope mode, I'm afraid.
This is the actual headline and sub-headline. In the second most visible line in the article he tells a lie (multiple lies actually; MMR vaccine is dangerous, not crucial, and 'potentially deadly' is weasel words which misleads people to the degree of lethality) and sells down the river all the parents who have spoken to him over the years, telling him how the vaccine schedule has affected their kids. Many of these parents (such as those from the Vaxxed and Vaxxed 2 docus) will have been talking about MMR specifically, and elsewhere he has claimed that this experience of talking to them is what sent him down the whole health route in the first place. It's a complete sellout.
Nothing else matters really but the first para starts continuing the lie, that there's a current outbreak which has killed a child, which is almost certainly not true. There is nothing of merit at all in the op-ed other than a signal being raised by RFK to prove that he is the establishment's man and to call off whatever pressure they have on him behind the scenes.
Nah. I just think it's important to keep things in perspective.
This has been incredibly disappointing from RFK, and I am incredibly annoyed with how he's acting. My point is just the MMR stuff isn't as bad as the headline makes it out. He's still a snake, and the headline is obvious intentional. In the other thread I still call him out for advocating for the vaccine, which he is definitely doing.
He's really fucking dropped the ball today.
I literally can't think of any single act RFK could take that would undermine everything he's ever stood for, other than advocate the MMR vaccine as he does in that piece. One could say well maybe advocating the covid jab would be worse - but actually RFK Jr. got where he was by being a vaccine critic BEFORE covid. There are plenty of covid shills around, so sounding like one of them would simply mean that he's just another interchangeable shill. But actually advocating one of the vaccines he's been against in the past actually goes one further and removes any meaning to RFK being RFK.
There's a kind of reputation-laundering action going on with RFK, ever since it became clear that Trump might successfully shuttle him into HHS. There are deep state types and now other commenters who want to sum him up as 'well he's against insufficiently tested vaccines, not all vaccines'. The fact is that 'insufficiently tested vaccines' IS all vaccines. The dissident health movement which has been using RFK as something of a flagbearer has consistently pointed to the superior health of unvaccinated children in all metrics. RFK suddenly warning against staying unvaccinated is not just some single wrong note, it's an entire concerto getting switched from major to minor key.
Doesn't bother me, because fuck needing validating voices in politics, but this man seems to be a kind of controlled opp demoralisation bomb, and people should ditch any lingering illusions fast.
You knew he was a snake before you picked him up.
Well I like to think I never picked him up so I don't need to put him down now. To use the same metaphor, I was hoping he was a snake who bites its own handler. Putting vaxx-sceptic sentiment at the head of HHS really would be a risky thing for the establishment to do to itself, if that alone was genuine on his part. Looks more like he's been safely de-fanged though.