I have been seeing alot of grumbling about Christians and complaining that Christian moral activism is returning.
Name a single part of social justice/woke culture that did not result from what Christians were warning yall about.
I guess some lessons will never be learned though. Society has just gone too far down the path of liberalism 🤷♂️
I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about more than half a century ago.
And yet the most Christian areas didn't manage to defend themselves against it. If your religion doesn't protect you from subversion what good is that religion?
The violent and forcible conversion of Europe to Christianity. The division of Europe into two sects of Christianity which kicked of centuries of religious strife. So every religious war and conflict that was fought during that time.
I'm not talking about just a few decades in the 16th century. Corrupt clergy is the rule. Not the exception. Power attracts corrupt individuals and Christianity fails at rooting out those individuals just like any other religion. But organized monotheistic religions with world dominating ambitions are especially bad at it.
You were arguing that Christianity stopped the subversion that we're seeing today. Which it didn't.
There was no wokeness half a century ago though. Of course, the seeds were there, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten here.
That is a fair critique. But not being able to resist some bad thing is not quite as bad as creating and spreading it.
What are you talking about, there is no such thing.
That was for a relatively short time, started perhaps in 1546 and ended in 1648. Hardly the 2000 years of war that you were suggesting.
Again a fair critique. But remember: most clergy had very little power.
It did. There was no such thing when Christianity was dominant. There were some other bad things, which you greatly exaggerated, and obviously some other bad things that you didn't mention. But a central lesson of Christianity, which I think is very valuable for everyone incl. atheists like myself, is that it is impossible to create a heaven on earth and every attempt at such a thing will be a disaster.
Of course there was wokeness. Just not current day wokeness. And yes, the seeds are kinda important because wokeness isn't the disease. It's of one its symptoms.
Christianity didn't exactly create it but it sure helped splendidly in actively spreading it. It just let it happen and then in modern days turned to actively supporting it.
Of course not. Openly holding onto your pagan beliefs was something the Church tolerated by either forcing you to convert or simply killing you. But they were just saving them as otherwise they would've burned in hell for all eternity. Like Charlemagne did.
Islam also didn't spread through violence. That's just a islamophobic conspiracy theory.
The religious strife between Catholics and Protestants had been going strong till the 20th century. It didn't break out into religious wars for the entire time but it seriously divided Europe. Look at Ireland.
Christianity never managed to unite Europe or even just stop European Christian nations from waging war on eachother while the Caliphat was already getting comfy on European soil.
Most federal employees have very little power and yet they're the ones who are upholding the oppressive system. The Church was the most powerful instution in Europe for a very long time until the Europeans were finally getting tired of its corruption and the nobility used that opportunity to tell the Church to go fuck itself.
Luther wouldn't have been possible if the Church hadn't been a corrupt, greedy, hypocritical and powerhungry institution that oppressed Europe.
Like I already said current day wokeness is just one of the many symptoms of the root problem. You yourself admitted that the seeds appeared during Christian dominance. So Christianity prevented fuck all. Letting it happen is just as bad as making it happen.
And if we look at the last century we can see quite clearly that the Churches were actually instrumental in spreading the seeds of current day wokeness. The Churches are actively involved in homoglobo and refugee trafficking.
But I guess they're not "real Christians" just as Stalin, Lenin, Mao etc weren't "real Communists".
Of what though?
Forced conversions violated canon law. Alcuin of York pointed this out to Charlemagne. So they were vanishingly rare, and that is why Charlemagne's treatment of the Saxons is one of the very few instances you can cite.
If you compare the two, you will see that they are not equivalent, as you seem to be arguing, but that Christianity spread much more peacefully. Both disapprove of forced conversions, Christianity for all, and all branches of Islam for monotheists and some for polytheists. But Islam mandates conquest for conversion, Christianity does not.
Ireland is hardly the representative case, and it's as political as it is religious - because the religious issue is confounded with union with the UK vs. Ireland.
Yes, that is unfortunate.
There were many churchmen who were agitating for reforms within the church. What made Luther Luther is that he was a schismatic. The competition forced the Catholic Church to clean up its act more quickly than it otherwise would have been.
Fake refugees, OK. But globohomo?
Political activists aren't "real Christians", no. But you can be a Christian while misguidedly advocating for so claled refugees, of course.
A pattern of overrepresantation that is very easy to find.
Pedophilia violates canon law aswell. Unfortunately it doesn't stop priests from molesting kids or the Church and even Christian communities from protecting those priests. Collecting taxes to live in mindboggling luxury is also not something that Jesus taught if I recall correctly.
So you are saying Pagans and non-Catholic Christians were actually tolerated under Christian rule and weren't persecuted for heresy?
Christianity is political. That's inherent to the three monotheistic abrahamic religions. The only reason Christianity isn't acting more like Islam is because Christianity/the Church was neutered by the resistance of the European peoples. It's because Europeans are inherently different than Arabs.
The Church was for most its existence a political instution first and a spiritual one second. It has been and still is politically very active.
What made Luther different is that he acted in a way that couldn't be ignored. The Church didn't want to clean it up its act which is why they choose violence first before they realized they had no other choice than to adapt lest they inevitably loose their priviliged status. They weren't misguided. They knew exactly what they were doing.
Yes. Even Catholics are marrying homosexuals now. Christian institutions are pushing actively for globohomo bullshit. Some more than others.
Is it misguided though or just actively practicing on Christian values?